iksar necro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...StatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

3. I never said a Necro shouldn't be farming for a CoS or other clickies. The nice thing about EC items is you can always resell them as needed. Buy gear now to help you farm/level, then resell it for CoS when you have saved up enough plat + items.

4. I never claimed the gear combinations I provided were the absolute best combinations possible, or that they are the best fit for every player starting a Necromancer. You jumped to those conclusions for no logical reason. I was simply showing that INT is common on gear that is easily found in EC. I put a lot of cheap gear in both of my examples. The Magelo had a few expensive pieces, but you can swap them out for cheaper pieces. As I said in an earlier post, you could shave like 10k on the Magelo just by replacing Djarns and Sickly Orb with a 6/65 Ring and a Sandwitch. You'd only lose 25 HP.

5. I never claimed that a Necro needs expensive gear to get to 60. But since Necros are good at farming, a lot of people will end up buying/finding the gear they want while leveling.

6. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...Dirtbrokenecro This is a perfectly reasonable Magelo showing cheap gear. I have no problems with it. In your Magelo you would have 41 more INT than STA if you had put 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. My point still stands that you are going to get a lot more INT from items than STA, even when you are focusing on +HP items specifically. That is why you will end up capping INT before STA, and why STA is generally the better starting stat. You yourself seemed to suggest that losing 700 mana isn't a big deal for you. That means you aren't too worried about the 230 mana you would lose from putting 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. 288 mana if you put the 5 points into STR instead.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...StatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

Penish and Crede can keep reposting that list of lies if they want. I can just refer back to this thread to prove I never said Iksar Necros don't need HP gear. It shows you are liars, and casts enough doubt on the rest of the list.

Please keep showing people you are liars. It doesn't hurt me. Clearly you are admitting defeat yet again in this thread. You are reduced to attacking people rather than countering anything I have said with facts and logic. I am not sure why you think people will believe proven liars.

Also beware of playing with Penish in the future:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...55#post3653255

He will purposely group with you under false pretenses and video record you in an attempt to capture you making a mistake. He will try to use this in the future as ammunition to try and discredit you. Unfortunately for him he isn't good enough at the game to understand basic game mechanics like camp cycling mobs, so he didn't get what he was after. I hope he posts the video so we can see proof that he does this to other players in game.

Crede isn't keeping very good company with another proven liar like Penish.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

What I'm suggesting is that a smart player will invest 3k (or even less) into gearing a necro enough to get to 60 and dedicate all the money he makes leveling to getting his hands on a CoS as quickly as possible.

Not farming 20k for all Int gear with no hp and then working on farming another 30k to finally get a CoS. Your actual magelo where you claimed the items were 'easy to get' exceeds 50k and the poor sap that takes your bad advice is going to need to farm almost 90k to finally get his hands on the one item that matters. A CoS.

It's absurd and terrible advice

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

Why bother with all that? Sitting in the tunnel trying to move items when you can spend 3k and dedicate your time to getting levels and getting a CoS. Necros don't need a lot of Int or even a massive mana pool. What they need is efficient mana sustain. You get that by stacking hp. This is why Iksar is miles ahead any other necro race. They can sustain and not expel mana to regen lost health with inefficient lifetaps.

So the gap between us is more than 50k for a net gain of 150hp and 6-700 mana

Go ahead and shave off some plat by swapping out a few items but why stop there? Just go for the gear I listed and you're set. I even made a few adjustments and I'm still at 3k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Skidrownecro

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I even have almost 90CHA with just a Crude Stein as an Iksar. Your 50k+ Magelo sits at a sub 40 CHA. More than a 50 point gap. Good luck lulling mobs in HS with that (even with CHA items in your bags). Better bring a lot of coffins and bags of emeralds.

[Duik]

Thread End.

[Penish]

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

-There’s “math” to objectively say that ogres are the best shaman race.
-Shamans are a dps class and can out dps mages
-People can’t be mad about players voluntarily awakening the sleeper
-Shaman pets are tanks
-JBB is a min max item for shamans
-Clerics arent needed for 4 man content
-shamans offer more use to enchanters than clerics do
-shamans net the same pp per hour as an enchanter
-you should consider spamming taunt as +1 aggro every 6 seconds is better than nothing while ignoring the fact that there is a superior way to use taunt
-150 str on a monk is good enough
-you are trolling if you are not interested in my opinion
-iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.
-you cannot claim ad populum yet my experience as a sk is good enough for this discussion

I’ll continue to monitor and track this so that people are aware of all these theories. I’m sure there’s some more I missed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You aren't making any points by reposting what I have already posted. I never claimed these gear sets were the best. They are just examples showing that INT is easy to get via gear you can buy in EC, as I have stated multiple times now. This is why STA is generally the best starting stat for a Necromancer. You seem to think that mana isn't that important, as you are dismissing 700 mana. So I am not sure why you want to suggest INT for starting stats.

A casual Necromancer who is killing guards while leveling can farm a good amount of money and buy whatever they want from these examples, or the Magelos you provided. My Shadowknight farmed tens of thousands of plat by killing guards while leveling, and Necromancers can farm better than SK's. I am not sure what your issue is here.

You can resell the big items easily like the Crimson Robe of Alendine, Djarns Amethyst Ring, Hand of the Reaper, etc. to buy a pre-nerf Circlet of Shadow when you have the item value + plat to do so.

If people want to farm money and get gear with said money, there is no problem with this. That is one of the major draws of the game. Selling items to buy other items you need is a normal part of the game. Not everybody wants to play a Necromancer from 1-60 naked, or with the bare minimum of gear. Some players also twink their characters, and have no problem dropping 100k+ on a new character.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't making any points by reposting what I have already posted. I never claimed these gear sets were the best. They are just examples showing that INT is easy to get via gear you can buy in EC, as I have stated multiple times now. This is why STA is generally the best starting stat for a Necromancer. You seem to think that mana isn't that important, as you are dismissing 700 mana. So I am not sure why you want to suggest INT for starting stats.

A casual Necromancer who is killing guards while leveling can farm a good amount of money and buy whatever they want from these examples, or the Magelos you provided. My Shadowknight farmed tens of thousands of plat by killing guards while leveling, and Necromancers can farm better than SK's. I am not sure what your issue is here.

You can resell the big items easily like the Crimson Robe of Alendine, Djarns Amethyst Ring, Hand of the Reaper, etc. to buy a pre-nerf Circlet of Shadow when you have the item value + plat to do so.

If people want to farm money and get gear with said money, there is no problem with this. That is one of the major draws of the game. Selling items to buy other items you need is a normal part of the game. Not everybody wants to play a Necromancer from 1-60 naked, or with the bare minimum of gear. Some players also twink their characters, and have no problem dropping 100k+ on a new character.

Have you ever played a Necromancer to level 60?

You want to argue for the sake of arguing and you've never even played the class

Just explain to me why anyone would farm a robe of Alendine, Djarn Ring and a Reaper ect ect (50K+ in gear lol) BEFORE getting a CoS

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just explain to me why anyone would farm a robe of Alendine, Djarn Ring and a Reaper ect ect (50K+ in gear lol) BEFORE getting a CoS

If you read my previous post you would have the answer to this question already. Why do you keep not reading posts and then asking a question that has already been answered?

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't have a Z heart you're not even playing necro.

Z Heart is awesome indeed.

[Toxigen]

If you don't have a Z heart you're not even playing necro.