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Old 08-21-2023, 07:49 AM
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You can cast illusion for that.
This is what I thought when I made an Erudite. Turns out knowing deep down I’m not a Gnome really ruins it for me lol
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Old 08-20-2023, 09:46 PM
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erudite has big potential lets not forget!

plus one of the best starting areas, esp for ench cuz u can go into warrens with a pet and and same with kerra ridge and by the time ur 20-30 u got stonebrunt or can just kill guards in paineel and u prob dont even need gear just ur basic +5 agi and then mix of cha/int to balance them out making it easier to pick gear later
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Old 08-21-2023, 06:57 AM
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I think we can agree that in practice the stat difference won't make any difference with Velious level end-game gear. Even prior to that it will likely not impact you in any significant way. Charisma and int can both be capped with some effort and self-buffs.

If we still wish to minmax stats then Erudites get +5 MR and Humans instead have best stamina. Neither stat which will be capped with BIS-velious gear. Oh and don't waste points on agi for Erudite, you will get +5 agi on enchanter gear and if you're dead (again) before 70 or 75 agi makes any difference during a corpse run.

I am not sure if a saved buffslot on gnome illusion ever matters when self-buffing or duo'ing, then there's a minmax argument for gnome which is the preferred illusion in dungeons.

However, I think most will agree with that it's convenient not having to mem gnome illusion and cast it. It also does save you a small bit of mana not having to. Thus Gnome is the clear QoL of life winner.

And as for Dark Elf and High Elf... Hide is pointless in high level areas, things can and will see invis. Hide is a bad charm-break and GGR makes hide redundant. High Elf charisma is pointless eventually as you wil self-buff cap it in Velious even on a gnome without sacrificing other stats. I do believe HE has a place for the untwinked player who wants the smoothest run to 60, but that's about it.


I guess there's the fashion argument too... I like Human enchanters tbh but each to their own.
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Old 08-21-2023, 11:43 AM
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I have spent time mediating and speaking to Valhalla. And let be real if you’re an enchanter you know what the gates of Valhalla look like. It seems to me that the overall best race is a human.

Once the system lets me out of suspension later on today for a crime that I was unlawfully in punished for then I will create my human enchanter…. Who’s coming with me?
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Old 08-21-2023, 01:46 PM
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Having played every race as enchanter except Erudite it's a bit of a wash. Personal preference and fashion quest will ultimately be what you care about most if you hit 60.

Dark elf are a little behind in stats compared to the other options, but Ultravision and hide balance things out.

Go with any of the races and revel in the fact you already picked the most powerful class.
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Old 08-24-2023, 12:19 AM
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If you want to be a little unique, go human [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:37 AM
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Ok. I will add that I am a little harsh on HE. If you go with a BIS raiding loadout, assuming you'd be insane enough to go that far, you'll find that several of the best pieces lack Charisma and that it therefore can be difficult to hit 205 cha unbuffed with some races like Gnome. If you're able to hit 255 charisma by taking some hits to hp, mana and resists you'll also save another buffslot.

I can safely say I'll never go for all BIS on any character so it won't be an issue and without those items it's relatively easy to get 205 cha even with a gnome.
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Old 08-24-2023, 12:15 PM
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Ok. I will add that I am a little harsh on HE. If you go with a BIS raiding loadout, assuming you'd be insane enough to go that far, you'll find that several of the best pieces lack Charisma and that it therefore can be difficult to hit 205 cha unbuffed with some races like Gnome. If you're able to hit 255 charisma by taking some hits to hp, mana and resists you'll also save another buffslot.

I can safely say I'll never go for all BIS on any character so it won't be an issue and without those items it's relatively easy to get 205 cha even with a gnome.
If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol
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Old 08-24-2023, 03:40 PM
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If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol
Jesus
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Old 08-25-2023, 12:12 PM
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If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol
That is so much dkp
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