Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Snaggles]

Imagine a dps pacing itself and avoiding taking unnecessary hits.
This one wild trick to make healers not hate you…

[Sonark]

Give Warriors the Combat Abilities (I.e. their aggro abilities.) from Live that they give them in TLPs off the hop so they're not completely useless

Bam, you just fixed Warriors on p99 for group content.

That's why they include them off the hop. Because they know they're broken early on due to bad design choices.

[Snaggles]

Every class has its achilles heel. What is broken to some is proper design to others.

Most hps of any class? Check
Best mitigation plus mitigation discs on short cooldown? Check
Aggro issues so they don’t trivialize raid encounters? Check

Also, who cares about group content? Ive probably said it before but grinding exp is easy. Even soloing a warrior to 60 isn’t bad. You group to have fun with others and help classes like warriors. If you need a knight to succeed in the Hole maybe it’s a “you problem”.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, who cares about group content? Ive probably said it before but grinding exp is easy.

Some people do care about group content. People prefer faster leveling experiences to slower leveling experiences generally speaking. Time is the issue, not difficulty. Every class can afk camp an easy single static spawn all the way to 60. That takes much longer time-wise, however. This is why you don't see an overabundance of Rogues trying to solo to 60.

The strengths and weakness of Warriors on P99 will remain as facts, regardless of whether you care about grouping or not.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people do care about group content. People prefer faster leveling experiences to slower leveling experiences generally speaking. Time is the issue, not difficulty. Every class can afk camp an easy single static spawn all the way to 60. That takes much longer time-wise, however. This is why you don't see an overabundance of Rogues trying to solo to 60.

The strengths and weakness of Warriors on P99 will remain as facts, regardless of whether you care about grouping or not.

I didn’t mean literally who cares about group content (ie doing it). I meant, who cares if it’s moderately more difficult. A shaman can drop 66% slow on something in the early 50’s and it scales to 75%. Just slow stuff and kill it, or CC with mez, or split tank, or root, or kite. My point was most group content is very easy, but fun. If people struggle they should practice their own class, not nitpick another to break progression history.

So get some buddies together and kill stuff. Don’t get precious optimizing group dynamics. Also, rogues and monks should have a bit of patience with a warrior tank. It’s not their fault. Slowers can debuff like a belly caster or pre-root. Lots of ways to work with a warrior if people care to try.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn’t mean literally who cares about group content (ie doing it). I meant, who cares if it’s moderately more difficult. A shaman can drop 66% slow on something in the early 50’s and it scales to 75%. Just slow stuff and kill it, or CC with mez, or split tank, or root, or kite. My point was most group content is very easy, but fun. If people struggle they should practice their own class, not nitpick another to break progression history.

So get some buddies together and kill stuff. Don’t get precious optimizing group dynamics. Also, rogues and monks should have a bit of patience with a warrior tank. It’s not their fault. Slowers can debuff like a belly caster or pre-root. Lots of ways to work with a warrior if people care to try.

I agree that you shouldn't prevent Warriors from joining XP groups as a tank. That wasn't what I was suggesting.

I was just explaining why Warriors are considered to be less useful in groups generally speaking. It's good to know why this bias occurs.

When people know what the weaknesses/strengths of a Warrior are, they can determine if their group would be able to handle a Warrior tank.

If you have a lazy random Rogue in your group who can't handle a Warrior tank, you have to choose between:
1. Denying the Warrior.
2. Kicking the Rogue.
3. Invite the Warrior and hope you find a Cleric for reses.
4. Try to teach the Rogue how to play.

All are valid options the group leader will have to decide for themselves based on their own laziness/willingless to handle the situation.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that you shouldn't prevent Warriors from joining XP groups as a tank. That wasn't what I was suggesting.

I was just explaining why Warriors are considered to be less useful in groups generally speaking. It's good to know why this bias occurs.

When people know what the weaknesses/strengths of a Warrior are, they can determine if their group would be able to handle a Warrior tank.

If you have a lazy random Rogue in your group who can't handle a Warrior tank, you have to choose between:
1. Denying the Warrior.
2. Kicking the Rogue.
3. Invite the Warrior and hope you find a Cleric for reses.
4. Try to teach the Rogue how to play.

All are valid options the group leader will have to decide for themselves based on their own laziness/willingless to handle the situation.

Rogues need to take a few hits to cap defensive skills, and they do have good defensive skills, so imo just leave them to it. If they are stretching healer mana the healer can choose not to heal them. People will be careful engaging as their hp lowers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aggro issues so they don’t trivialize raid encounters? Check

...are you serious?

They made them bad at managing aggro so raids won't be as easy.

Is that seriously your position?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...are you serious?

They made them bad at managing aggro so raids won't be as easy.

Is that seriously your position?

They could have made taunt generate 1k aggro a click and didn’t. It’s pretty obvious aggro was a problem since day one.

Sorry the game is too hard.

[PatChapp]

If warriors held agro like knights,Knights would be even more useless as tanks
I leveled my warrior mostly in groups and agro was rarely a problem
Let the rogue take a couple hits