Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Snaggles]

Ok so DPS for a ranger involves an argent protector. (Lol). 42/49 or 2.5 second delay.
“Best offhand ratio” is a Scimiter of the Emerald Dawn @ 20/34 (it isn’t).
A Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn drops to 17 delay (1.7 seconds).
That gives you .8 seconds to swap weapons and get a swing off before you miss a MH AP swing, or at least delay it.

Or…

Hasted a shovel of the harvest goes from 43 delay to about 22 (2.2 seconds).
A Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn drops to 17 delay (1.7 seconds).
That gives you half a second to swap weapons and get a swing off before you miss a MH shovel swing, or at least delay it.

In my situation a Meljeldin is 38 delay, 19 hasted. 1.9 seconds
A Claw of Lightning is 18 delay, 9 delay hasted. .9 seconds.
That’s a margin of error of just about 1 second.

Ps: just use different weapons for a warrior and the results are equally stupid.

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so DPS for a ranger involves an argent protector. (Lol). 42/49 or 2.5 second delay.
“Best offhand ratio” is a Scimiter of the Emerald Dawn @ 20/34 (it isn’t).
A Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn drops to 17 delay (1.7 seconds).
That gives you .8 seconds to swap weapons and get a swing off before you miss a MH AP swing, or at least delay it.

OrÂ…

Hasted a shovel of the harvest goes from 43 delay to about 22 (2.2 seconds).
A Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn drops to 17 delay (1.7 seconds).
That gives you half a second to swap weapons and get a swing off before you miss a MH shovel swing, or at least delay it.

In my situation a Meljeldin is 38 delay, 19 hasted. 1.9 seconds
A Claw of Lightning is 18 delay, 9 delay hasted. .9 seconds.
ThatÂ’s a margin of error of just about 1 second.

Ps: just use different weapons for a warrior and the results are equally stupid.

My understanding of how this is supposed to work is that you attack with the offhand once per mainhand attack round. Since your two hander has a delay of 43 with a shovel, you effectively lock your offhand to delay 43. That makes scimitar the best offhand for this I'm aware of, since the long delay on the weapon is irrelevant and it has high base damage, effectively adding a 20/43 offhand dual wielded with the 50/43.

I'm still skeptical its possible to execute this, though. I would want to see someone do it or at least get a parse.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My understanding of how this is supposed to work is that you attack with the offhand once per mainhand attack round. Since your two hander has a delay of 43 with a shovel, you effectively lock your offhand to delay 43. That makes scimitar the best offhand for this I'm aware of, since the long delay on the weapon is irrelevant and it has high base damage, effectively adding a 20/43 offhand dual wielded with the 50/43.

I'm still skeptical its possible to execute this, though. I would want to see someone do it or at least get a parse.

That is a common myth. Mainhand and offhand are on separate, independent timers.

But since there is no damage bonus for the offhand (like there is for mainhand), it does make sense to focus on ratio only for the offhand weapon, if DPS is the only goal.

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a common myth. Mainhand and offhand are on separate, independent timers.

But since there is no damage bonus for the offhand (like there is for mainhand), it does make sense to focus on ratio only for the offhand weapon, if DPS is the only goal.

The assertion is that the offhand, being on an independent timer, does not fire when the mainhand attacks or when weapons are swapped, but only when the offhand actually attacks. Because you're swapping back to the mainhand after attacking once with the offhand, the timer will recharge during the swapping process, and you only get one attack per mainhand round out of the offhand. If you have a faster weapon, you just recharge the offhand timer earlier while no offhand is equipped and the lower delay is wasted.

[Gloomlord]

And ping is obviously a factor, isn't it?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And ping is obviously a factor, isn't it?

Yea I would think so. With my ranger even timing jolts with 2h swings isnt a perfect result. I expect the same from monks. So swapping multiple slots in that time is just...not easy.

If there is a warrior out there for example consistantly topping the charts with a 2h like an Vulak, Eashen or Meljeldin using this trick (alone), I'd be interested. It's still a lot of work and a lot of luck. I just dont hear about it outside the forums.

[Ripqozko]

i dont see why he cant just link a aary parse, surely the guy that is this good would have one somewhere in there

[Samoht]

Yeah, they're on separate timers. Most of the time, offhand is going to swing almost immediately after you unequip main, so you don't have time to swap in a weapon unless it's already on a delay.

This just isn't going to be worth it under any circumstances (except being a monk).

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, they're on separate timers. Most of the time, offhand is going to swing almost immediately after you unequip main, so you don't have time to swap in a weapon unless it's already on a delay.

This just isn't going to be worth it under any circumstances (except being a monk).

This is why the theory is you turn off autoattack before removing the 2hander?

[Ripqozko]

Did he find an aary parse to compare to mine yet?