1h weapons are ookie dookie butter

[Toxigen]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

i only swap to get extra hp for when im tanking something harder like tov trash and hot, really about it.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

Someone didn’t roll iksar!

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone didn’t roll iksar!

Greenmist+Atramentous Shield is what happiness smells like

[Troxx]

A case could be made for shield ac when tanking an absolute ass beater of a mob I suppose but if the difference is using vs not using a shield is making that big a difference in survivability you could also make the case that having someone else tank it altogether is preferable. Statistically you should be taking about 50% less riposte damage with a hander.

Holding aggro with a 2 hander is gonna be easier. More white damage threat at baseline by a long shot and fewer missed melee rounds as it’s easier to mix spell casts in with slower swing rate.

I haven’t used a shield on my paladin since I got Natures Defender. Definitely wouldn’t consider it now with Greatspear of Dawn. Then again I don’t have a sweet ass NToV 1hander with raid shield to match tempting me. I could very well feel different if I had such a combo.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A case could be made for shield ac when tanking an absolute ass beater of a mob I suppose but if the difference is using vs not using a shield is making that big a difference in survivability you could also make the case that having someone else tank it altogether is preferable. Statistically you should be taking about 50% less riposte damage with a hander.

Holding aggro with a 2 hander is gonna be easier. More white damage threat at baseline by a long shot and fewer missed melee rounds as it’s easier to mix spell casts in with slower swing rate.

I haven’t used a shield on my paladin since I got Natures Defender. Definitely wouldn’t consider it now with Greatspear of Dawn. Then again I don’t have a sweet ass NToV 1hander with raid shield to match tempting me. I could very well feel different if I had such a combo.

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

Iceflame is 2H, it has a slightly higher ratio, and a damage proc. It should out DPS your Jeldorin.

You can always use Jeldorin while tanking for extra heals, or on mobs that are running away to try and get a lucky proc, assuming it is safe to allow the mob to run.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

19/24 1h = .791666 raw ratio

35/44 2h =.7954545 raw ratio

1-30 = Jeldorin (due to damage cap)


Sample Level: 50

19/24 + 8 dmg bonus = 1.91666 modified ratio
35/44 + 16 dmg bonus = 1.9545 modified ratio

sample level: 55

19/24 + 10 dmg bonus = 2.0 modified ratio
35/44 + 26 dmg bonus = 2.1818 modified ratio

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1


Concensus:
There are very few situations I would use an Iceflame over a Jeldorin. It's a 500p weapon, the jeld is around 15-20k. It's apples to orangutans.

The heal proc is substantial for the ratio difference, certainly over the 60dd or whatever the iceflame will produce.

If comparing the Jeldorin to the Reaver or another 1.0+ ratio 2h, that is different. It's still a 8k (on blue) weapon though which is like 1/3rd a jeld. The jeld remains one of the better tanking weapons for a paladin. It's 75hps at 60 (50hp 5 stamina), you get to bash and use a shield, it heals you. As a weapon to attack random raid targets it's not great. I accidentally didnt equip my 2h one time on Dain and my Jeldorin did 25dps . That's on par with most bards.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

Ratio is nearly identical.
-The iceflame will do more damage due to 2h dmg bonus and the minor contributions of the proc.
-The 1hander gives you 60-76 more hp (plus whatever stats/ac on your shield) and a 162hp heal proc

This is a scenario where I would say the 1h option is clearly better any time you are tanking … by a college mile. With bad dexterity and only 1 proc per minute it can result in better passive combat healing than wearing a a fungi.

I’d only break out the iceflame if you find yourself in a position where you aren’t tanking and are only dpsing.

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[Gloomlord]

Thanks for the replies.

Also, I'm on Green.