SK Race Choice

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

c u boys in 30 pages

Basically every dsm thread yep

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

c u boys in 30 pages

I always find it strange that you think discussions are strange on a forum. Very silly. But a lot of your posts are just nonsense like this, so I guess I can't expect too much[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Same with Ripqozko. You both think typing 5 random words on a forum is the ideal method of discussion.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always find it strange that you think discussions are strange on a forum. Very silly. But a lot of your posts are just nonsense like this, so I guess I can't expect too much[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Same with Ripqozko. You both think typing 5 random words on a forum is the ideal method of discussion.

You don’t have discussions , you spend 100 pages arguing that your point is the right one and everyone else is wrong or trolling. Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don’t have discussions , you spend 100 pages arguing that your point is the right one and everyone else is wrong or trolling. Hope that helps.

This is simply not true, and you can check my post history. It isn't like I can hide that. It is a straw man people have created because it is easier than admitting they may be wrong. In any thread that is 100+ pages, that is due to trolling, and you can see literal posts of just silly gifs.

[Crede]

Ah this thread is getting ugly with all these pallies who have never played high lvl sks. Do me a favor and compare thurg heal click Vs dw bp click. Yikes. And pally hot Vs a slow ass inefficient tap. Sks also don’t even get 210 bind wound. Or mend. Monks/pallies are just way better at self healing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I did a quick test. With 328 worn AC and self buffs (a bit of buff AC on top of the worn AC), a geonid in WL (level 44-48) dealt 1000 damage to me just face tanking. This was 1250 AC on my sheet.

Pint is positing that getting 1 level and adding an extra 250 AC on sheet is going to reduce that 1000 damage by half or more on a Geonid. I would honestly like to see that. If being level 60 and having 1500 sheet AC equates to level 45+ mobs dealing 400 damage or less on average, then you can use Fungi + Troll Regen + Fearsome Shield + Ring 10 to basically mitigate all of the damage.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did a quick test. With 328 worn AC and self buffs (a bit of buff AC on top of the worn AC), a geonid in WL (level 44-48) dealt 1000 damage to me just face tanking. This was 1250 AC on my sheet.

Pint is positing that getting 1 level and adding an extra 250 AC on sheet is going to reduce that 1000 damage by half or more on a Geonid. I would honestly like to see that. If being level 60 and having 1500 sheet AC equates to level 45+ mobs dealing 400 damage or less on average, then you can use Fungi + Troll Regen + Fearsome Shield + Ring 10 to basically mitigate all of the damage.

Its not going to reduce the damage by half lol thats nonsense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not going to reduce the damage by half lol thats nonsense.

I agree lol. That is why I am not sure what Pint is talking about.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The most generous interpretation I can give is being level 60 and having 1500 AC reduces a level 45 mob's damage by 20% over my character (just a wild guess). With Vulak Axe you are probably killing the mob 15% faster over something like Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge.

If level 45 mobs only do 1000 damage on average (not enough data to confirm this right now), then Troll Regen + Fungi Tunic + Fearsome Shield + Ring 10 + 2 well spaced Epic Procs would mitigate like 800 damage per fight. With the faster kill speed and better reduction, you would be taking like 700 damage and healing 800.

However, if you have fought in a place like Sebilis, you know that mobs aren't just doing 1000 damage on average if you are soloing. I've had a Bok Knight (level 47 mob) do 4000 damage to me in a 2.5 minute fight when I was face tanking it at level 58. I had to drain my entire mana pool on taps to survive. Obviously having the level 60 tap would have been a bit better, but I would still be spending over half of my mana.

With the formula above you wouldn't out-mitigate 4000 damage. 20% reduction from AC and level would be 800 damage, and you are mitigating like 800 a minute from regen and Epic procs, so you are still taking like 1200 damage on a Bok Knight after all that. You could spend 900 mana on 4 taps to make that up (4.5 minutes of meditating), or you could simply fear kite the thing and spend a bit more time killing it to spend a lot less time meditating.

The above is just rough guesswork based on my years of experience playing the game. As I said I would love to see a video showing vastly superior mitigation. I would be happy to admit I am wrong.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most generous interpretation I can give is being level 60 and having 1500 AC reduces a level 45 mob's damage by 20% over my character (just a wild guess). With Vulak Axe you are probably killing the mob 15% faster over something like Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge.

If level 45 mobs only do 1000 damage on average (not enough data to confirm this right now), then Troll Regen + Fungi Tunic + Fearsome Shield + Ring 10 + 2 well spaced Epic Procs would mitigate like 800 damage per fight. With the faster kill speed and better reduction, you would be taking like 700 damage and healing 800.

However, if you have fought in a place like Sebilis, you know that mobs aren't just doing 1000 damage on average if you are soloing. I've had a Bok Knight (level 47 mob) do 4000 damage to me in a 2.5 minute fight when I was face tanking it at level 58. I had to drain my entire mana pool on taps to survive. Obviously having the level 60 tap would have been a bit better, but I would still be spending over half of my mana.

With the formula above you wouldn't out-mitigate 4000 damage. 20% reduction from AC and level would be 800 damage, and you are mitigating like 800 a minute from regen and Epic procs, so you are still taking like 1200 damage on a Bok Knight after all that. You could spend 900 mana on 4 taps to make that up (4.5 minutes of meditating), or you could simply fear kite the thing and spend a bit more time killing it to spend a lot less time meditating.

The above is just rough guesswork based on my years of experience playing the game. As I said I would love to see a video showing vastly superior mitigation. I would be happy to admit I am wrong.

There’s no disputing the efficiency of fear kiting. It’s part of the sk toolbox that if ignored, you’re either choosing to be inefficient or simply don’t understand how sks work. Similar to sk pet which can potentially provide more dps than a vulak upgrade. And this isn’t just fear kiting at 100%. You can drop a snare at 40% with some fears and pretty much kill the mob in place depending on its movement speed combined with bashes(slam is preferred to avoid epic swap). Sks solo efficiency lies in their mana pool, so getting rid of the narandi helm is a terrible idea, unless you’re tanking in a group/raid where your mana isn’t needed. Again though, just a lot of people here who quite obviously have never played an sk, or if they have not above 50, or if they have, not efficiently.