SK Race Choice

[Jimjam]

Why trolls online are so mean.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s....php?p=3637918

I don’t think we need to discuss this on a starter sk thread. If you want to continue that discussion perhaps do so in the link above.

The only kind of troll relevant to this thread is the slamming, regening false giant!

[Troxx]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=422749


Lol watch DSM inject himself into RnF thread … and nobody listens

[Jimjam]

That is pretty consistent reasoning that for you ~5% change is not substantial (i.e the 4.3% dps improvement from +20 str).

How substantial improvement would you have wanted it to be to be worthwhile?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is pretty consistent reasoning that for you ~5% change is not substantial (i.e the 4.3% dps improvement from +20 str).

How substantial improvement would you have wanted it to be to be worthwhile?

Oh snap!

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is pretty consistent reasoning that for you ~5% change is not substantial (i.e the 4.3% dps improvement from +20 str).

How substantial improvement would you have wanted it to be to be worthwhile?

That is an interesting observation. I never connected the multiple calculations I've done that end up being around 5% before. What a coincidence.

5% in general isn't a large boost in a game like Everquest, due to the numbers being so small. It's usually too small to get you to the next threshold, like getting more kills per hour while XPing.

Fungi Tunic is much better on a Troll SK than a Torpor Shaman. Fungi Tunic is providing more than a 50% boost to your HP Regen for the Troll SK.

You would have to provide a specific topic for me to see what percentage would get you to the next threshold of whatever we are discussing. It will almost certainly be bigger than 5% though.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is an interesting observation. I never connected the multiple calculations I've done that end up being around 5% before. What a coincidence.

5% in general isn't a large boost in a game like Everquest, due to the numbers being so small. It's usually too small to get you to the next threshold, like getting more kills per hour while XPing.

Fungi Tunic is much better on a Troll SK than a Torpor Shaman. Fungi Tunic is providing more than a 50% boost to your HP Regen for the Troll SK.

You would have to provide a specific topic for me to see what percentage would get you to the next threshold of whatever we are discussing. It will almost certainly be bigger than 5% though.

I'm not snipping your post down at all since I'd hate to be a cherry-picking troll, but do you know the general rule of thumb is that Avatar at level 60 adds about 10% to your dps?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not snipping your post down at all since I'd hate to be a cherry-picking troll, but do you know the general rule of thumb is that Avatar at level 60 adds about 10% to your dps?

Interesting, I never heard this 10% rule before.

Avatar is certainly going to provide a larger DPS boost than 20 STR via starting stats, if that is what you are referring to. You are getting 100 STR + 100 ATK. The DEX boost is increasing your procs too.

If people do have enough data to show that Avatar is a 10% DPS boost, that means the 20 STR via starting stats is only giving you a 2% DPS boost at best. Less since the ATK is also present on Avatar.

I don't have this Avatar data, so I am not going to say any of these numbers are accurate.

[Snaggles]

It’s a very common generalization. Assuming level 60, on high level raid targets. If it was less than 10% people wouldn’t be so thirsty for Primals. If it was much more than 10% people would scream at shamans for it even more than they do already.

It feels like a cheesy estimation but my best avatar disc on vindi was 110 dps and I died 3 seconds before it faded. Top one before that was mid 90’’s for a slightly longer fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s a very common generalization. Assuming level 60, on high level raid targets. If it was less than 10% people wouldn’t be so thirsty for Primals. If it was much more than 10% people would scream at shamans for it even more than they do already.

It feels like a cheesy estimation but my best avatar disc on vindi was 110 dps and I died 3 seconds before it faded. Top one before that was mid 90’’s for a slightly longer fight.

That's some nice DPS! Thanks for sharing that. Always nice to see more parses.

[Ripqozko]

My best ranger vindi

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 132s, 175k @1326dps --- A Drakkel Dire Wolf 20k @161dps --- Knapsack 16k @121dps --- Ripqozko 15k @118dps --- Idrinkk 13k @109dps --- Rikyr 12k @92dps --- Trazzle 12k @89dps --- Gatitos 11k @87dps --- Logaluger 11k @85dps --- Jenssen 10k @78dps --- Torstein 10k @75dps

The reason folks say 10% is cause of the attack boost. The stats are fluff usually for dps on raiders , the dex and agi are nice but don't really boost raid dps (yes I know procs but lot don't land on raid targets).