SK Race Choice

[Pint]

i have parses of a lot of sebilis stuff and a couple of cliff golems i killed like a week ago but gamparse doesnt seem to give much info in the way of tanking. not sure if im doing something wrong with gamparse settings? i dont think youre going to take 50% less dmg, thats sounds like something silly you drummed up. i can say that at high ac places like sebilis stop being a challenge. i can take some SS's so you dont have to take my word for it, but for instance if i spot check a dar ghoul kill i see that i killed a dar ghoul knight and its dmg to me was 477 over 90 seconds. Krup ghoul knight 135 second fight 838 dmg to PC etc. i see though that end game is relative and i was the one making assumptions though. i think if you do get to 6k/1500ac though you'll find yourself fearing less and watching your passive tap procs pull a lot of weight in places like kunark.

[Snaggles]

Soloing named blues at level 60 in dungeons isn’t about racial perks or BE armor. You’re talking sapper procs, avatar, almost full mana bar face tanking. Even if a specific perk is handy it’s ridiculous to think the same player couldn’t overcome that if they have mentally and gear wise got to that stage in the game.

Not to say each race doesn’t have a bit fun or flavor to it that may come in handy but this is the edge case of all edge cases.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soloing named blues at level 60 in dungeons isn’t about racial perks or BE armor. You’re talking sapper procs, avatar, almost full mana bar face tanking. Even if a specific perk is handy it’s ridiculous to think the same player couldn’t overcome that if they have mentally and gear wise got to that stage in the game.

Not to say each race doesn’t have a bit fun or flavor to it that may come in handy but this is the edge case of all edge cases.

I don't think anybody is saying that Blood Ember is required for a specific encounter. I am not sure why you are suggesting otherwise. Blood Ember + Troll Regen is simply going to give you a non-trivial edge as a Shadowknight most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIb859Cg5ZM - In a 5 minute fight with a Cliff Golem, a troll would regen 400 HP over a non-troll, which almost two extra epic procs. Not a game shattering thing, but better than not having it. That is half of a Fungi Tunic, and there is a reason why everybody wants a Fungi Tunic.

Once you get to the point where you have WillSapper, Primal Weapons, Soul Defiler, Epic, etc., you are never going to use Greenmist, which is the only perk of being an Iksar. This is also an edge case in itself if you are trying to argue against supposed edge cases, because 90% of Shadowknights on this server do not have WillSapper + Primal + Soul Defiler + Epic. Blood Ember + Regen is helping out the majority of Shadowknights quite a bit when compared to not having them.

[Vexenu]

There's really no getting around the fact that having snare, fear and FD available on clickies is extremely useful, and literally allows you do things that Iksar SKs cannot. It doesn't mean that Iksar SKs are unplayable, but they are making a significant sacrifice by foregoing the substantial utility provided by the best pieces of Blood Ember.

[Snaggles]

This quite literally what the OP asked:

Originally Posted by trees [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking for some input

Is Iksar SK worse for end-game solo crawling than other races?
Do the armor clickies account for serious mana saving etc?

So until we know what they mean by end-game solo crawling it’s just a mystery. My point of the “end game solo” part is nobody is relying on free snare clicks for a 20 minute repop you are medding and waiting for unless crap goes very sideways.

Crawling droga or making your way up to King Tranix? Sure BE legs are great. FD and Death Peace don’t share a CD, one is 60mana and one is 120. Is free better on a 3 sec cast? Depends I guess. I suspect folks like Keerarae didn’t reverse engineer the best race at the creation screen, they pick one they like and got insane gear and skills then ventured out.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This quite literally what the OP asked:

So until we know what they mean by end-game solo crawling it’s just a mystery. My point of the “end game solo” part is nobody is relying on free snare clicks for a 20 minute repop you are medding and waiting for unless crap goes very sideways.

Crawling droga or making your way up to King Tranix? Sure BE legs are great. FD and Death Peace don’t share a CD, one is 60mana and one is 120. Is free better on a 3 sec cast? Depends I guess. I suspect folks like Keerarae didn’t reverse engineer the best race at the creation screen, they pick one they like and got insane gear and skills then ventured out.

Dungeon crawling requires you to FD multiple times to get down to a specific mob, so BE greaves are always going to be useful. While I agree OP's question is ambiguous, I am not going to assume he doesn't know what a crawl is.

If your crawling in Sebilis, for example, BE greaves will be great when you have to get around a spawn of 2-3 casters. Is it required? No, but reducing your chance of dying while crawling is never a bad thing when you can get nuked for 1k. Dying and having to restart your crawl is a pain. Again, in the hypothetical situation of an extremely well geared SK killing named mobs deep in a dungeon, Greenmist is completely obsolete by the time you have Epic + Primal + Soul Defiler + Willsapper.

Stacking Greenmist and Epic procs is not worth the DPS loss when swapping between the weapons. You are only getting a decent boost in HP gain if you happen to proc Greenmist + Epic within 6 seconds of each other. That can happen, but it's not a common enough scenario to rely on it. Average proc rate is 2 per minute at 255 DEX, so 2 Epic procs spaced 30 seconds apart is giving you 500 HP, vs. 490 with one proc of each weapon. You could get higher HP gain in a minute if you can proc Epic twice and Greenmist once, but that is pure luck, and if you only proc once in the next minute, it evens out. Greenmist would be better if 255 dex equated to 3 or 4 procs on average per minute.

Now you may not need BE greaves for fighting a Cliff Golem, since you don't need to split or crawl, but that is outside of OP's question since you are not crawling to Cliff Golems. I don't think many people are making SK's to simply camp static spawns in an open area.

[Ripqozko]

DSM about to go another 80 pages, the answer is pick what you want, it doesn’t matter in the end when every guild gets loot off draft.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM about to go another 80 pages, the answer is pick what you want, it doesn’t matter in the end when every guild gets loot off draft.

Guess we might as well shut down the forum since the answer to everything is "just do what you want"[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] People ask questions because there is an answer besides "just do what you want".

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess we might as well shut down the forum since the answer to everything is "just do what you want"[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] People ask questions because there is an answer besides "just do what you want".

Exactly, sorry you don’t got choices

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, sorry you don’t got choices

When you know what options you have, you got choices. When you don't know anything, you don't have a choice because you are just rolling a dice in terms of what you pick.