SK Race Choice

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding DSM I think I've been through all five stages, denial anger bargaining etc and have reached acceptance. I just feel bad for the guy. Most posters, even if we don't see eye to eye... I grow as a player by engaging with them, and learning from them. For example I didn't even think about dex for that Greenmist iksar SK in the other thread. If DSM could learn from other people he could probably enjoy the game more and be better at it. And the whole community would benefit, because the guy seems to have an impulse to help.

Someone should have taught this guy theory of mind and that you need to be able to acknowledge the limitations of your own understanding in order to grow.

Something you may take away is using mouseclicks, while suboptimal in general gameplay, can be preferential in tutorial videos as it helps guide the viewer into where the forthcoming actions are and keep track of what is happening.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something you may take away is using mouseclicks, while suboptimal in general gameplay, can be preferential in tutorial videos as it helps guide the viewer into where the forthcoming actions are and keep track of what is happening.

Thanks for not piling on. I appreciate it. You are correct that mouse movement can help in a tutorial video. The P99 UI does not show you which buttons you pressed when using hotkeys.

Lune isn't giving me advise because they care about improving my play. Lune simplys want to attack my video and discredit it. That way Lune can avoid the actual discussion. If Lune was being sincere, they would use my video to show where they think regeneration would have helped.

For someone who claims to practice theory of mind, Lune is doing anything but that. Lune is basically going with tribalism at this point. Agree with the group, regardless of the truth. That seems primitive and close minded to me.

For those wondering about my playstyle, I mix hotkeys and mouse. Why do I do it? I am not sure, it is a habit at this point. I just go with the flow and do whatever is most comfortable and least distracting at the time. I am not trying to claim I am the best player in the game, and I am not asking for playstyle advise.

My current actions per minute are more than fine to do any fight. I have yet to run into issues. Nobody has shown what a "good shaman" looks like either. It is easy to criticize someone else's playstyle when we can't even see how they play.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something you may take away is using mouseclicks, while suboptimal in general gameplay, can be preferential in tutorial videos as it helps guide the viewer into where the forthcoming actions are and keep track of what is happening.

True

[Snaggles]

I’ve never built a character around statistical superiority. I play classes that are fun but disadvantaged. If you ask me why I have a troll shaman, an erudite paladin, or a ranger (at all) I can say with honesty “I’m biased; it’s fun and I haven’t noticed a disadvantage yet”.

When your angle is “superiority > all and I’m never wrong” you better bring the receipts. You shouldn’t roll your eyes at people and ignore their critique as ignorant.

I’ve played this game for over 20 years, I’m a casual on p99 with 6 level 60’s and a bunch more I’ve just not cared to push there. Some others here have leveled and geared WAY more than me; I welcome their feedback. This isn’t some weird big brother program where you write a guide and expect people to study it before they engage with you. Guides are supposed to be a generous sharing of information. Manifestos are a declaration of the world as you see it.

You do, you. Trolling or genuine feedback your sk’s magelo would be better oriented as an ogre. More mana, more attack, capping stam. It’s ok to like a troll or enjoy regen for worse stats. Fashionquest is a personal thing. Stats and facts aren’t so again, if your currency is dealing in absolutes welcome to a fight at every corner. Once in a while admitting you might be wrong would also help. Unless you never think you have been wrong, if so that’s an issue.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve never built a character around statistical superiority. I play classes that are fun but disadvantaged. If you ask me why I have a troll shaman, an erudite paladin, or a ranger (at all) I can say with honesty “I’m biased; it’s fun and I haven’t noticed a disadvantage yet”.

When your angle is “superiority > all and I’m never wrong” you better bring the receipts. You shouldn’t roll your eyes at people and ignore their critique as ignorant.

I’ve played this game for over 20 years, I’m a casual on p99 with 6 level 60’s and a bunch more I’ve just not cared to push there. Some others here have leveled and geared WAY more than me; I welcome their feedback. This isn’t some weird big brother program where you write a guide and expect people to study it before they engage with you. Guides are supposed to be a generous sharing of information. Manifestos are a declaration of the world as you see it.

You do, you. Trolling or genuine feedback your sk’s magelo would be better oriented as an ogre. More mana, more attack, capping stam. It’s ok to like a troll or enjoy regen for worse stats. Fashionquest is a personal thing. Stats and facts aren’t so again, if your currency is dealing in absolutes welcome to a fight at every corner. Once in a while admitting you might be wrong would also help. Unless you never think you have been wrong, if so that’s an issue.

You do not have to build a character around statistical superiority. I have never said otherwise.

My angle has never been “superiority > all and I’m never wrong”. Yet another thing you have misread for years. My angle is "Give people the objective facts and let them decide for themselves. There is nothing wrong with picking a suboptimal choice. There is nothing wrong with being a min/maxer. Let everybody be happy by giving them the correct information."

I have provided plenty of receipts (evidence) for my claims. Simply dismissing everything out of hand as your method for saying I am incorrect is not a valid method of providing counter-evidence.

The core problem seems to be you think that providing objective facts is some kind of eye rolling, arrogance, or forcing people to think a certain way. I am not saying I am right because I am arrogant. I am saying I am right because I have actually done the research and provided evidence. Evidence you have yet to refute. I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can do better research and provide better evidence. I have done so many times in the past.

I also do not expect everyone to read my guide. I am simply pointing out you are lying about what I've been saying. You've shown that you didn't even read the first few paragraphs of the guide I have had in my signature for years. This shows you aren't reading what I have been posting very closely or thoroughly, so you shouldn't be making baseless claims about my other posts.

For SK's Trolls are going to be the best racial choice if you solo most of the time. Ogres are going to be better if you group most of the time, as regeneration provides a lot less utility in a group with a healer. FSI will probably provide more benefit in that scenario. That has always been my position, if you actually read what I've been saying. I have a different stance on FSI/Regen for Shamans and SK's, because they are different classes. Torpor changes the equation because it is such a large boost to Regeneration.

[Duik]

Oof.

[Snaggles]

So glad we are dialing in that SK race choice. After the last two threads the class needs a new PR team. Paladin stock is rising at record speeds.

[Snaggles]

Two things can be true. Most raid shams can have and wear something that’s also not beneficial in all circumstances.

1. Situational benefit
2. Vanity/fashion - the fungi looks stupid on most races.
3. Alternative that frees up a piece of BiS alt gear

If players were robots (or scripting cheaters) and you could set the canni/torp cycle to never end sure, the fungi would only be helpful while running from point A to point B. People aren’t robots though. Sometimes you will canni down a bit and go get a beer. Regen is AFK hps while you med.

Also even in the theoretical robot EQ play example an efficient torp cycle just has to heal every tick for 300. Like the sk “big mana pool” you have to hit the fumes of the tank to see the issue. Having more hps will help avoiding blood aggro during slow attempts and other things but strictly as a mana/hp generation model a fungi is doing something while you are torp dancing. Maybe not as much but every torp tick is an extra 15 hps. Every cani cast you get back about 15. It’s HP mitigation whether you are taking damage from a npc or doing it to yourself.

To turn it back on Sk’s a fungi has its purposes even though most raiders will wear “better”. If I had to guess the fungi is in their bag, or on their alt. If like me and it’s on an alt likely constantly wishing it wasn’t…

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two things can be true. Most raid shams can have and wear something that’s also not beneficial in all circumstances.

1. Situational benefit
2. Vanity/fashion - the fungi looks stupid on most races.
3. Alternative that frees up a piece of BiS alt gear

If players were robots (or scripting cheaters) and you could set the canni/torp cycle to never end sure, the fungi would only be helpful while running from point A to point B. People aren’t robots though. Sometimes you will canni down a bit and go get a beer. Regen is AFK hps while you med.

Also even in the theoretical robot EQ play example an efficient torp cycle just has to heal every tick for 300. Like the sk “big mana pool” you have to hit the fumes of the tank to see the issue. Having more hps will help avoiding blood aggro during slow attempts and other things but strictly as a mana/hp generation model a fungi is doing something while you are torp dancing. Maybe not as much but every torp tick is an extra 15 hps. Every cani cast you get back about 15. It’s HP mitigation whether you are taking damage from a npc or doing it to yourself.

To turn it back on Sk’s a fungi has its purposes even though most raiders will wear “better”. If I had to guess the fungi is in their bag, or on their alt. If like me and it’s on an alt likely constantly wishing it wasn’t…

The argument for extra HP regen is efficiency. To be an efficient Torpor Shaman, you need to use Torpor. If your argument for worn regen is you are too lazy to cast Torpor, that is your efficiency problem. There is nothing wrong with being inefficient. But arguing for worn regen based on efficiency when you are already being highly inefficient is not logical. The solution is to use Torpor, not buy a Fungi.

For SKs Fungi is awesome. For characters without Torpor, Fungi is a huge improvement to your regeneration relatively speaking. With Torpor, Fungi is only a 5% improvement when you are already mitigating damage extremely well in the vast majority of fights. Vindi BP is also saving you HP with the extra AC and resists.

[Snaggles]

No, my argument is there are situations you arent clicking a few buttons non-stop. Anytime you run from point A to Point B without 100% hps and mana a fungi is better, as is being a troll.

Like most server lies like "all stats will cap in Velious so it doesnt matter" the classic "shaman dont need a fungi with torp" should come with some fine print. You don't need anything in this stupid game but it doesnt mean situationally some things wont come in handy. A torp sham can solo chardok stuff and raid in banded armor, it doesnt mean people shouldnt try to get better gear if they can.

Every tick a fungi heals 15hps. Every tick torp is active you gain 300hps. Unless you are unable to canni at full efficiency because you barely have 1500hps a fungi is helpful. Before you construct a straw man with my name on it, I admit having more mana and hps is always helpful but we are isolating the argument of regen and why it's a good thing. This is some basic math here...

Edit: Vindi bp for a tanking/dps Sk is pretty much BiS. For many reasons. Fungi is still good and situationally BiS. I feel like I have to add that in since we have lost the forest for the trees yet again.