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[Toxigen]

DSM is our resident Milton and Torpor is his red Swingline stapler.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM is our resident Milton and Torpor is his red Swingline stapler.

Thank you for continuing to show you are just a troll. Whenever you cannot back up your points, you cower behind insults. Sad.

[Ripqozko]

Inc 50 pages of DSM again

[Crede]

I see you already got in a debate with people on this.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=401554&page=6

The consensus was a toss up basically vindi bp when you need the resists otherwise fungi. This wasn’t even factoring in the additional 23 from regrowth/racial. You’re literally the only Person who thinks 42/tick is useless when you have torpor.

Like Lune said, not liking regen is a you problem. You can keep spreading lies but we will continue to defend the truth. A good shaman should be taking advantage of regen at every chance they get.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see you already got in a debate with people on this.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=401554&page=6

The consensus was a toss up basically vindi bp when you need the resists otherwise fungi. This wasn’t even factoring in the additional 23 from regrowth/racial. You’re literally the only Person who thinks 42/tick is useless when you have torpor.

Like Lune said, not liking regen is a you problem. You can keep spreading lies but we will continue to defend the truth.

You can keep ignoring all the Shamans who wear Vindi BP over Fungi and don't swap to Fungi. You can keep lying and say that nobody agrees with me.

Why are you making up lies and saying I dislike Regen lol? I would love to see where you think I said that. Reading comprehension is an issue of yours it seems.

This doesn't make you correct. You are sticking your head in the sand and making up lies because you are a troll.

Basic math agrees with me too. You can read my Shaman guide and watch my videos to see actual evidence that supports my position. The playerbase agrees with me when you look at their gear choices. You are simply spreading false information because you want to troll me.

Please stop. You are causing confusion out of childish spite.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The playerbase agrees with me when you look at their gear choices. You are simply spreading false information because you want to troll .

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing people are tired of is your constant desire to flood these forums with trolling and bad information. You keep ruining your credibility further by posting things that are blatant lies that are easy to disprove. You don't look cool simply because a few posters like yourself, Troxx, Lune, etc., agree with each other. Agreement has nothing to do with factual information.

Nice try. You can’t claim ad populum while simultaneously accusing others of doing the same. Your posts clearly illustrate your hypocrisy.

There’s simply no data that suggest vindi bp is superior to fungi in all situations or that you need one over the other to kill a particular mob. All we can do is present the facts. Your weird obsession of intentionally neglecting any form of passive regeneration is not something that needs to apply to everyone just because you don’t find the value in it. 42 hp/tick in a 3 hour grind session is over 75,000 hp that doesn’t require any mana, time, or effort. This is significant, people should know the facts. Whether or not it was required to succeed doesn’t change the fact that it’s a benefit.

Please stop with the lies, fallacies, and hypocrisy. It doesn’t help anyone here but makes you look like a troll.

[Snaggles]

Basically every 5 minutes of fungi regen is a free focus. Two focus’ if you have regrowth of some type on (hence a fungi staff being worth considering). That’s just an occasional canni to make sure you aren’t full health.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice try. You can’t claim ad populum while simultaneously accusing others of doing the same. Your posts clearly illustrate your hypocrisy. Show me where I was hypocritical please.

There’s simply no data that suggest vindi bp is superior to fungi in all situations or that you need one over the other to kill a particular mob. All we can do is present the facts. Your weird obsession of intentionally neglecting any form of passive regeneration is not something that needs to apply to everyone just because you don’t find the value in it. 42 hp/tick in a 3 hour grind session is over 75,000 hp that doesn’t require any mana, time, or effort. This is significant, people should know the facts. Whether or not it was required to succeed doesn’t change the fact that it’s a benefit.

Please stop with the lies, fallacies, and hypocrisy. It doesn’t help anyone here but makes you look like a troll.

Lol it is a little late at this point to try and claim I am the troll, based on your last few posts. Show me where I was hypocritical please.

I am tellng you to go inspect some level 60 Torpor Shamans. They aren't wearing Fungi. You can see it on both servers. Their gear choice shows they understand what I am saying. If you can come back and show a bunch of 60 Torpor Shamans wearing Fungis, I'll happily admit I am wrong.

Unlike yourself, when I say the playerbase agrees with me, this is based on an experiment you can do youself!

A good Torpor Shaman is always at full HP/MP. You can get back to full HP/MP in 3 minutes or less. You are not getting anywhere near 75k HP, because you aren't playing with HP under 100% except when you are fighting.

A level 60 Torpor Shaman isn't constantly killng for XP, they are camping named mobs. This means you have a lot more downtime anyway at full HP/MP.

Please stop telling people Torpor Shamans need extra worn regen with Torpor. They don't. It never hurts of course, but Shamans play differently once they get Torpor. You are thinking in terms of melee classes that don't have Torpor. Worn Regen/Spell Regen is much better in that scenario.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please stop telling people Torpor Shamans need extra worn regen with Torpor. They don't. It never hurts of course, but Shamans play differently once they get Torpor. You are thinking in terms of melee classes that don't have Torpor. Worn Regen/Spell Regen is much better in that scenario.

Here is a prime example of putting words in my mouth to try to support his claim that regen is not needed. I never once stated regen was needed with torpor. The best shaman solo artist was a barbarian. You don’t need regen to win. You need skill and the right amount of items.

However regen factually is still a benefit. Whether or not you choose to ignore this benefit(DSM) is entirely up to you. It will result in less torpor’s needed over time to heal yourself. If it’s not making you safer, it’s at least lowering your required APM. Troll racial/fungi/regrowth is 42/tick at 60. You get 14% of torpor for essentially doing nothing.

DSM is just a forum troll who tries to “win” by either putting words in people’s mouths or shifting goalposts, always trying to be the last poster. I don’t care whether or not he agrees with me. I just am here to defend the truth, present facts, and let people decide what they want to do with that information.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys you don't understand I cut my leg off and I can very easily walk around and live a perfectly normal life with one leg. All you trolls who keep saying 2 legs are superior don't know what you're talking about. I found someone who also only has one leg (but the opposite leg as me) and we split the cost of a pair of shoes. Everyone should be cutting a leg off. The data on this is clear, it's not even close.

Thank you for continuing to show you are a troll. A bad one too, considering how poor your analogy is lol. Why do you think making a fool of yourself is helping your position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8 - Here is a video of me soloing Ionat. I am using Fungi Staff here, because I can. I have no problem doing this fight with or without Regrowth. I am wearing Vindi BP instead of Fungi Tunic.

I was taking damage for 21 minutes. With Fungi Tunic (+13 since I am using Vindi BP which has +2) + Troll Regen (8) I would have gained an extra 4400 HP (3-4 Torpors depending on server tick) during the fight. Please show me where the 3-4 Torpors would have helped in this fight. If you can't show it, then you are only using the extra regen to save 2 minutes on recovery time. If I did choose to put on Fungi Tunic, a Troll would only have 1 extra Torpor over myself, which is saving 30 seconds of recovery time. 2 minutes of recovery time isn't going to help when you have 30+ minutes of waiting for a repop when camping a named mob. You will have recovered your resources anyway.

Mathematically I am correct that Regeneration is providing very little benefit when you have Torpor, even when looking at a fight on the far end of the spectrum when it comes to time required. The shorter a fight lasts, the less benefit you are getting from Regeneration. This is because a good Torpor Shaman will always recover their HP/Mana after a fight. When Torpor takes 3 minutes or less to get you from low HP/Mana back to full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc , why wouldn't you do that? You are lowering your risk of death by not running around with half health and mana.

You never actually bring any evidence to back up your position, so I won't hold my breath that you will do anything other than continue to provide insults that just make you look silly. Honestly you are ruining your credibility yourself with terrible analogies like that. You should think a little harder at least before trying to post.