SK Race Choice

[Troxx]

I did not insult him (at least not directly). I pointed out that his statement was dumb and possibly a competitor for the most dumbass statement on these forums. I’m sure he’s an intelligent fella. Sometimes smart people say dumb things. Nobody is perfect.

Then Gloomlord replied

I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol

Which is a valid point indeed. I will have to concede that Gloodmlord is correct. Greatdane’s statement is clearly not the most dumbass thing said on these forums. That spot is already occupied.

I actually don’t completely disagree with Greatdane’s sentiment. In the presence of a dedicated healer, regen does become less important. This is even more true when you have a well oiled machine of a group where everyone is playing well, the only person taking damage is the tank and there is a cleric lazily tossing a complete heal every few minutes or mobs.

But he didn’t say regen is less important. He said:

Regen is absolutely worthless anytime there's a healer of any kind.

Absolutely worthless? As in no value? Dems be a strong words … and absolutely incorrect. Regen always adds value. Even if the value is saving the healer some extra mana.

Any kind of healer? Lol. I’ve leveled 2 priests to 60. I’ve leveled the other (cleric) to 59.82. Try to tell me with a straight face that extra regen doesn’t help when healing with a druid. I’ll laugh in your face. Or how about the shaman before they hit 60 and have torpor. For both classes their cast-able regen buffs make up the backbone of baseline healing. Shamans are a busy class with lots of productive things to do. Saving mana needed to heal the tank really frees up druid and pretorpor shaman massively. It’s why spell regen buffs are so valued. It is why hp regen items are so great. Racial regen isn’t really different. Value added is value added. It even can help out the cleric as groups are imperfect and you don’t always have fancy mind buffs.

There is a reason tanks who have them wear fungi’s (or ikky regen bps) if they have them and sacrifice stats and ac to do so. It is because regen is ANYTHING BUT absolutely worthless.

Regen for level range (Other vs Troll)

1-19: 1 stand 2 sit vs 2 stand 4 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 2 more hp/tick sit)
20-49: 1 stand 3 sit vs 2 stand 6 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 3 more hp/tick sit)
50: 1 stand 4 sit vs 2 stand 8 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 4 more hp/tick sit)
51-55: 2 stand 5 sit vs 6 stand 12 sit. (3 more hp/tick stand 6 more hp/tick sit)
56-59: 3 stand 6 sit vs 10 stand 16 sit. (7 more hp/tick stand 10 more hp/tick sit)
60: 4 stand 7 sit vs 12 stand 18 sit. (8 more hp/tick stand 11 more hp/tick sit)

Most tanks don’t need a heal every fight. Passive regen is there between fights and while the sk is medding. As a druid or pretorpor shaman, healing the iksar monk is a lot easier and less mana intensive than the human monk. The also is true for the troll/iksar sk compared to all the other possible races.

They just require less healing over time.

So yeah …

Saying regen is absolutely worthless anytime there‘s a healer of any kind is a pretty dumb thing to say.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not insult him (at least not directly). I pointed out that his statement was dumb and possibly a competitor for the most dumbass statement on these forums. I’m sure he’s an intelligent fella. Sometimes smart people say dumb things. Nobody is perfect.

Then Gloomlord replied...

Splitting hairs over what is an insult and what isn't. Lovely. You cannot simply admit you sounded like an asshole there, and should maybe think for a few seconds before posting.

You also are lying about me saying that Shamans can always deal more damage than Mages. You aren't even referencing a real quote. You cannot even read a thread you have 473 posts in. Yet again, you're lies and trolling are just so easy to disprove.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually don’t completely disagree with Greatdane’s sentiment.

If you didn't completely disagree, you wouldn't have posted:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

Please just troll less and stop trying to back out of every mistake you make. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, or make a mistake.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you didn't completely disagree, you wouldn't have posted:...

I completely disagreed with his statement. Because it was dumb. I am, however, understanding enough to comprehend the point he was trying to make.

But any modicum of “I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt” or grace he might have gotten from me went out the window with this snarky tidbit from Dr Douche-Canoe (from the same post as his dumbass statement):

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and soloing with a warrior is for morons.

I’ll admit it irked and borderline triggered me.

I got sizable portions of my xp up to 60 solo. I did some of it even at 60 to make up rez death losses. This solo was out of necessity because the alternative was standing around with my finger up my nose semi afk while lfg. Anytime I was soloing, LFG was up and I was broadcasting myself.

Warriors with decent tools and gear can manage it fairly well. Snare whip, slow hammer, bloodpoints and backpacks full of bandages go a long way. Even better once we get evasive. Once you have bandaged up as high as your skill allows, you either pull the next or sit on your ass to regen a bit faster.

Exception to this (sitting once done bandaging) is once a warrior scores their first heal click bp. I was never rich enough to splurge on a cobalt bp, but I still carry this around for the click during downtime:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Champion%27s_Breastplate

I’m not sure if this is still clickable at a really low level (MQ to an alt) but I would have loved to have had it leveling my warrior. At 90 heal per 14.5 seconds that works out to 37hp/tick.

It stays parked in a weight reduction bag in lieu of my preferred Vindi bp for passive 2hp regen, AOB and resists.

Being troll would have made this process easier (albeit longer due to xp penalty).

Obviously you are getting some benefit from Regeneration. If you are an SK you can regen on a bad pull while flopped, for example

Precisely. And that’s why I said his statement was dumb. Like full on dumbass dumb. Solo or group … Healer or no … anyone who says “regen is worthless anytime you have a healer” is just flat out wrong.

[Troxx]

FWIW if I were forced to retool my warrior and wasn’t allowed to be a dwarf again. I’d pick Troll. 18 more str, 19 more stamina, higher starting agility, slam, and racial regen. The only downsides are lower starting dex (which I value HIGHLY) and lack of being a dwarf. Dwarf warriors are beautiful and barrel roll rocks.

Do I sit often on my warrior in group? Not often but occasionally if between pulled and not full health. Would I pop a squat on my warrior if I were a troll when not full mana?

Uhhh … you bet your ass I would. 18hp/tick sitting is pretty damn nice.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FWIW if I were forced to retool my warrior and wasn’t allowed to be a dwarf again. I’d pick Troll. 18 more str, 19 more stamina, higher starting agility, slam, and racial regen. The only downsides are lower starting dex (which I value HIGHLY) and lack of being a dwarf. Dwarf warriors are beautiful and barrel roll rocks.

Do I sit often on my warrior in group? Not often but occasionally if between pulled and not full health. Would I pop a squat on my warrior if I were a troll when not full mana?

Uhhh … you bet your ass I would. 18hp/tick sitting is pretty damn nice.

For sure. Troll Warrior is a great option. That's what I played on live (Troll Warrior).

Obviously you are getting some benefit from Regeneration. If you are an SK you can regen on a bad pull while flopped, for example.

It's simply heavily muted in a group for the most part if you have a good healer. If you are sitting for long stretches of time, your group probably isn't very efficient.

There is nothing wrong with an inefficient group, not everybody has to XP at maximum speeds. But that has less to do with Regeneration, and more to do with the specific group.

[Crede]

There's a reason you have a million iksar monks and 2 human monks, regen is a big deal for melee classes especially ones that can easily find themselves FD'd in a corner needing to regen health asap.

Regen is arguably more important for SKs then any other class. They have to rely on slow BP clicks, shitty lifetaps, and hope for epic procs to heal themselves. Someone must have really hated Sks when you look at what spells pally got. Soul defiler might be the one saving grace, but this weapon is not easy to come by. And if you do get the weapon, regen complements this very nicely. If you plan to just be a raid tank, I could see the case for Ogre. But this would be a disservice to the class as they are fun to play outside of raids.

TLDR: Roll Troll SK and be done with it. And like Troxx, I'd reroll my dwarf war to Troll if I could.

[Troxx]

What sucks is my 60 monk is a female human ... sucks but fashionquest!

[Snaggles]

It’s all that matters in the end. Nobody waiting for innate regen for another flop pull.

[Mira Bayt]

The reason is that I am new here. I love to play. I think
Iksar SKs are not worse for end-game solo crawling than other races. In fact, they can be quite good at it, thanks to their natural regeneration and the ability to use armor clickies.
The armor clickies are a big deal for mana saving. They can give you a significant boost to your AC, which can help you to take less damage and therefore need to cast less spells. This can be especially helpful in long solo fights, where mana can be a limiting factor.

Of course, no race is perfect for solo crawling. Some races, like Erudites, have better mana pools and regen, while others, like Trolls, have better survivability. But Iksar SKs are certainly a viable option for end-game solo crawling.

[Snaggles]

While I wouldn’t play one again I always thought an ogre sk was decent if playing an active pulling roll. Bash is usually the first melee skill a NPC throws. Pulling 3-5 mobs that’s a lot of RNG dice being rolled. Whereas standing regen is nice but it’s pretty nominal unless you’re killing a lot of low level stuff. It’s basically 1.333dps mitigation at 60 where a fungi is a static 2.5 hence it being the GOAT twink item.