Is the Raid Scene on Project 1999 Toxic?

[cd288]

Would rather have the extra one point of resists anyway, however small it is, over 40 HP and 60 Mana lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would rather have the extra one point of resists anyway, however small it is, over 40 HP and 60 Mana lol

My thoughts exactly.

[Nostalgiabait]

Maybe I missed what everyone was finding to be "toxic", but my admittedly-limited experience is that P99 raiding is so low-key as to be almost casual vs. the holy-shit level drama that we used to see back in the day.

The original Ragefire spawn alone spawned more hostility than the combined total of what I see on p99. I haven't seen nor heard of a single fight over who gets what mob when.

All the hyper-competitive people who made up the early EQ raid scene, they just aren't on p99, because those kinds of people don't play 20-year-old games that aren't even supported by their original developers anymore.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Nostalgiabait [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I missed what everyone was finding to be "toxic", but my admittedly-limited experience is that P99 raiding is so low-key as to be almost casual vs. the holy-shit level drama that we used to see back in the day.

The original Ragefire spawn alone spawned more hostility than the combined total of what I see on p99. I haven't seen nor heard of a single fight over who gets what mob when.

All the hyper-competitive people who made up the early EQ raid scene, they just aren't on p99, because those kinds of people don't play 20-year-old games that aren't even supported by their original developers anymore.

Yeah most people who complain about the raid scene on P99 either don't raid, or are exaggerating.

I raided in a top guild for a while, and it was perfectly fine. There was some drama between specific players, but that is normal for any online game.

Detoxx send me an angry message once because I messed up the CH chain on AoW (which was true), and the apologized right after lol.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah most people who complain about the raid scene on P99 either don't raid, or are exaggerating.

I raided in a top guild for a while, and it was perfectly fine. There was some drama between specific players, but that is normal for any online game.

Detoxx send me an angry message once because I messed up the CH chain on AoW (which was true), and the apologized right after lol.

It's really just select individuals within the scene who hate each other so they want to deprive the people they hate of pixels. The vast majority of a raid force ultimately doesn't really care if they miss this target or that one on a quake. These select people just can't stand the idea of the person they've shit talked online getting some level of success.

I compare it to US politics. In most cases, your candidate losing an election (i.e., not getting a raid mob) is not really going to affect your life that much. The reason people get so mad over it is that they equate it to all the other people they've argued with getting a "win" and they can't stand that idea. Same thing on P99 raiding.

[Ciderpress]

"Toxic" in everquest just means a thing happened and I don't like it.

I wanted an item\camp, but somebody else got it instead. It was very toxic. If I had gotten it instead of them though, that would not be toxic, see. I'm not sure what version of everquest people remember where all the raid guilds totally got along and were full of fine upstanding gentlemen. It never existed.

The only example of behavior in an mmo where I think "toxic" is actually the right word for it was vanilla UO, where people would grief with the sole intent of driving you off the server for good. You just can't really do stuff like that in EQ.

[Ennewi]

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Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Toxic" in everquest just means a thing happened and I don't like it.

Officially, for EQ, it's described as behavior that is deemed inappropriate which may or may not break the Rules of Conduct, a long list tacked on to the PnP.

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure what version of everquest people remember where all the raid guilds totally got along and were full of fine upstanding gentlemen. It never existed.

There are classic forum threads showing that multiple guilds openly agreed to rotate/alternate planar zones with only the occasional disagreement/misunderstanding which was quickly resolved by leadership. While not a PvE utopia, it did exist.

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only example of behavior in an mmo where I think "toxic" is actually the right word for it was vanilla UO, where people would grief with the sole intent of driving you off the server for good. You just can't really do stuff like that in EQ.

Phaezed-Reality, Greengrocer, Sinful Desires, Ryantwin, <Holocaust>. It would be entertaining to pick one and try to argue how they weren't toxic.

[magnetaress]

Try red99 (hopefully 2 . O (SOON(TM)))

[Toxigen]

Its not about pixels. Its about denying your opponents of pixels.