People for Biden are starting to get meaningless

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be honest why do you even care about trans people? It does not involve you on any level. Why on earth would you think making a big govt program to regulate the genders of children is of any use.

Maybe it would be better if we had less gay / trans kids killing themselves which is already more than 4x more likely just being supported by their parents and family.

If the child is not being forced/ coerced its not abuse and forcing them to try and identify another way / sending them to a conversion camp is.

Kids should not be literally killing themselves so some angry conservatives can make trigger word talking points while railing on them for choices that are between themselves / their parents not some big govt program

And then we pivot to the fact that HRT/SRS are covered by Medicaid in almost every state and the dance continues.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be honest why do you even care about trans people? It does not involve you on any level. Why on earth would you think making a big govt program to regulate the genders of children is of any use.

Maybe it would be better if we had less gay / trans kids killing themselves which is already more than 4x more likely just being supported by their parents and family.

If the child is not being forced/ coerced its not abuse and forcing them to try and identify another way / sending them to a conversion camp is.

Kids should not be literally killing themselves so some angry conservatives can make trigger word talking points while railing on them for choices that are between themselves / their parents not some big govt program

Laws against child abuse are not a "big government program", they're just laws. Banning the use of exogenous hormones and "gender affirming" (one of the most disgusting euphemisms in modern history) surgeries for minors is a perfectly sane and reasonable extension of the laws against child abuse already on the books.

It's always this retreat into "hey its between the kid and the doctor!!" which you'd never apply to, say, a kid who wants to cut his arm off or be given leg extensions so he's 6 feet tall.

There is absolutely zero credible, non-partisan peer-reviewed long-term studies showing that this helps *anyone*, much less kids. The only "studies" available are always conveniently conducted by activist organizations who employ completely flawed and limited methodologies to gin up some vaneer of scientific credibility, and people such as yourself are falling for it.

You don't have to be a "conservative" to oppose the totally unethical medical abuse of children and the obliteration of women's rights.

[grims]

Except there are.

https://www.hrc.org/news/family-acceptance-saves-lives

LGBTQ youth whose families affirm their gender identity and sexual orientation are almost 50 percent less likely to make a suicide attempt compared to those whose families are unsupportive.

Laws of regulation whether you like it or not is what you gents like to call big govt.

The crazy straw man argument you just made makes legit 0 sense btw. There are no parents supporting a child cutting off their own limbs.

There are parents who do not want to see children take their own lives supporting their children.

[grims]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5127283/ <--- more pier reviewed studies on parents accepting a Childs identity stopping children from committing suicide / attempting to do so.

[Ooloo]

Also if by "conversion camp" you mean a hospital where they literally convert boys into girls and vice-versa using frankenstein-level medical procedures and hormones that the natural body is not even remotely designed to tolerate, I agree that is bad and shouldn't be done.

Seriously the "conversion therapy" charge leveled against people who literally just want to leave kids alone is so beyond insane.

[Ooloo]

Yes, again, "studies" conducted by activists with completely flawed methodologies.

Gee, I wonder if you ask somebody five seconds after they get the thing they want if they're happy about it- will they say yes?

We need robust studies with huge sample sizes, conducted over a period of decades with regular follow ups to make any declaration about the efficacy of this stuff. AKA actual science, not quackery.

[grims]

Again how does any of this involve or trigger you in the way it does? Do you have a child who struggled with sexual identity / gay child?

Why are you so dead set on enforcing your own twisted social justices on young children who have demonstrated that they will in fact die because of your forced ideology.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

children who have demonstrated that they will in fact die because of your forced ideology.

this is a problem that provides it's own solution

just chill out, wait and they will remove themselves from the gene pool, as nature does with any species that evolves beyond it's natural purpose.

nature is not cruel, it's just indifferent.

[Ooloo]

I care about protecting children and women from abuse and injustice, I guess that's why?

Uh oh my kid wants to eat nothing but snickers bars every day. He's threatening to kill himself if I don't let him. I guess I should let him?

The role of a parent is to protect a child from harm, both short term and long term. Until there is a mountain of long term, robust data clearly showing that this helps people, it's completely unethical to foist onto children. These are permanent, irreversible medical interventions being performed on minors. I really don't know why it's so hard to understand why that's bad, or why normal people care about it.

[grims]

No your not protecting anyone though, your ideology that your forcing on others is literally harming other peoples children and causing them to die for some twisted idea of social justice that you have.

Quit with the detached nonsense strawmen calorie intake poor diet choices does not equate to sexual identity on any level.