Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Seaweedpimp]

Kinsawt slandered my good name, my guild will not have me now for trakanon..


Thanks KINSAWT

[aerokella]

10 new pages and more dick swanging and tin foil conspiracies. Ohh 99 i miss you sometimes.

[jarshale]

threads like these make me glad I don't play as much as I did on live

[Glitch]

sup gwence

[aerokella]

Moar qq please. Gogo karsten, keep pissin off skope!

[Gwence]

Glitch! I havent seen prospect in a while =(

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I think as far as 'moral' goes here we all agree leapfrogging is a dick move. Racing for CT or entering fear after another guild is not leapfrogging, that is a different situation. Waiting until a guild pulls Rokyl and then rush past them is leapfogging. If they are pulling the first 2 giants and you run by is not if the target is Nagafen. Waiting for them pull first few giants then running up and tagging Tranix is much the same.

Someone has their raid sitting outside Innoruuks room and is pulling some roamers from there and as they do you rush in to gank Inny is leapfrogging. If they are at the zone in or church and you move up, obviously not.

If a raid is forming for Trakanon at the zone in and you log in at the ledge or run down first it is not leapfrogging. If they are pulling from the door before juggs/reets and your raid logs in at the ledge I would not call that leapfrogging, just smarter positioning. Now if they are at the bridge and are pulling the juggs before Trak and as they pull the last one your raid rushes in to gank Trak that is leapfrogging to me.

Now there are areas that may be gray or disputed but some are clear cut. No one wants or thinks TR should sit back and let other people get all the mobs. I do not want this. It is being respectful of other players. If another raid is in sky setting up for a dojorn pull don't hurry port up and pull it as fast as you can. I would say treat it much the same as normal camps. If they engage within a reasonable time let them try. If they don't engage, then you should be able to. I'm not saying give them an hour to engage but waiting for a guild to pull Rokyl then run someone up past them to claim FTE on Nagafen isn't kosher as far as the majority of this server goes. TR wasn't alone in the situation that has developed as far as the rules and interactions between raid guilds go but you have been in position to affect positive changes.

What SHOULD happen is guilds should get together and agree on common practices and agree about how different situations should be handled. IE what constitutes leapfrogging for each raid mob and what gives someone the right to engage. Some of it would be common sense some may be disagreed upon slightly as you say with a difference of opinion. The agreement should allow for fair competition with respect and courtesy between guilds. It should allow the guilds who are better at mobilizing to maintain the rewards for their skill or effort but at the same time allow other guilds a fair chance at mobs they legitimately mobilized first for. You can work the language all you want but if the guilds come up with an agreement we won't need a GM ruling and a new rule every time a raid mob dies and can avoid countless posts and flames like this post.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think as far as 'moral' goes here we all agree leapfrogging is a dick move. Racing for CT or entering fear after another guild is not leapfrogging, that is a different situation. Waiting until a guild pulls Rokyl and then rush past them is leapfogging. If they are pulling the first 2 giants and you run by is not if the target is Nagafen. Waiting for them pull first few giants then running up and tagging Tranix is much the same.

Someone has their raid sitting outside Innoruuks room and is pulling some roamers from there and as they do you rush in to gank Inny is leapfrogging. If they are at the zone in or church and you move up, obviously not.

If a raid is forming for Trakanon at the zone in and you log in at the ledge or run down first it is not leapfrogging. If they are pulling from the door before juggs/reets and your raid logs in at the ledge I would not call that leapfrogging, just smarter positioning. Now if they are at the bridge and are pulling the juggs before Trak and as they pull the last one your raid rushes in to gank Trak that is leapfrogging to me.

Now there are areas that may be gray or disputed but some are clear cut. No one wants or thinks TR should sit back and let other people get all the mobs. I do not want this. It is being respectful of other players. If another raid is in sky setting up for a dojorn pull don't hurry port up and pull it as fast as you can. I would say treat it much the same as normal camps. If they engage within a reasonable time let them try. If they don't engage, then you should be able to. I'm not saying give them an hour to engage but waiting for a guild to pull Rokyl then run someone up past them to claim FTE on Nagafen isn't kosher as far as the majority of this server goes. TR wasn't alone in the situation that has developed as far as the rules and interactions between raid guilds go but you have been in position to affect positive changes.

What SHOULD happen is guilds should get together and agree on common practices and agree about how different situations should be handled. IE what constitutes leapfrogging for each raid mob and what gives someone the right to engage. Some of it would be common sense some may be disagreed upon slightly as you say with a difference of opinion. The agreement should allow for fair competition with respect and courtesy between guilds. It should allow the guilds who are better at mobilizing to maintain the rewards for their skill or effort but at the same time allow other guilds a fair chance at mobs they legitimately mobilized first for. You can work the language all you want but if the guilds come up with an agreement we won't need a GM ruling and a new rule every time a raid mob dies and can avoid countless posts and flames like this post.

We tried this. There is always one guild who won't participate just to fuck over the rest.

It was Fishbait the first time.

Guess where they are now? TMO.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think as far as 'moral' goes here we all agree leapfrogging is a dick move. Racing for CT or entering fear after another guild is not leapfrogging, that is a different situation. Waiting until a guild pulls Rokyl and then rush past them is leapfogging. If they are pulling the first 2 giants and you run by is not if the target is Nagafen. Waiting for them pull first few giants then running up and tagging Tranix is much the same.

Someone has their raid sitting outside Innoruuks room and is pulling some roamers from there and as they do you rush in to gank Inny is leapfrogging. If they are at the zone in or church and you move up, obviously not.

If a raid is forming for Trakanon at the zone in and you log in at the ledge or run down first it is not leapfrogging. If they are pulling from the door before juggs/reets and your raid logs in at the ledge I would not call that leapfrogging, just smarter positioning. Now if they are at the bridge and are pulling the juggs before Trak and as they pull the last one your raid rushes in to gank Trak that is leapfrogging to me.

Now there are areas that may be gray or disputed but some are clear cut. No one wants or thinks TR should sit back and let other people get all the mobs. I do not want this. It is being respectful of other players. If another raid is in sky setting up for a dojorn pull don't hurry port up and pull it as fast as you can. I would say treat it much the same as normal camps. If they engage within a reasonable time let them try. If they don't engage, then you should be able to. I'm not saying give them an hour to engage but waiting for a guild to pull Rokyl then run someone up past them to claim FTE on Nagafen isn't kosher as far as the majority of this server goes. TR wasn't alone in the situation that has developed as far as the rules and interactions between raid guilds go but you have been in position to affect positive changes.

Your whole post is arbitrary bullshit. There's no way to establish what is and isn't leapfrogging, what is / isn't a douchebag move without the whole server chiming in. Why don't you just learn to play by the established FTE rules and get on with your lives.

[Harrison]

Numbers are only relevant if they NEED them to succeed. TR does not.

You don't turn away members from your raids because some lesser zerg guild (TMO/DA/Fishbait) will pull the hypocrisy card and call you unfounded names if you raid with more than necessary.