monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has yet to nut up at all. He was so afraid of posting his parses, he had to PM them to someone and promise them not to tell. How lame lol.

He still has zero data. I'll just reiterate:

You have reiterated.
Constantly.
Let your data stand.
If it is good, it will show up.
If it is crap, it will show up.

At this point I don't think anyone but you cares.

Saying "I just wish to add factual facts to factually factificate the facts" to every post does not increase ypur standing in this discussion.

See above.

[Snaggles]

A level 5 to a level 52 is not a valid parse target. I’ve spent an hour or so messing with bloodmaw who’s level 20 vs my 60 ranger. Aside from calculating an exact DW swing chance all that data was garbage. Two epics parsed very close to ntov weapons. In reality they aren’t in the same zip code.

A level 52 parse offers no usable data save for people trying to optimize a Vox/Naggy alt.

DSM, level your monk and ignore the people. Then do proper parses at 60 on literally anything else. I will say, nobody thinks fist/SoS is viable in 2024 for good reason. It has not surprised a raid meter…ever. Where as among normal mortals a kunark staff 60 monk has, especially for a tryhard with a timed left mouse-click.

[Snaggles]

From 7/31/2023 on Bloodmaw per the above:

Earthcaller/Swiftwind = 74,012 over 688 seconds = 107dps average
Vyemm whip/swiftwind = 71,059 over 597 seconds = 119 dps
Vyemm whip/claw of Lightning = 71,542 over 576 seconds = 124 dps
Meljeldin = 74,358 over 605 seconds = 122 dps
Earthcaller & Tash stick = 50,571 over 612 seconds = 82dps (686 slash landed / 511 crush landed = .74489 ratio)

I guess if anything this thread has annoyed me to the point I’ll gear my 45 monk and push him to 60. Your last SK one did that and now I have a 60 sk. Leveling another melee is cause for an intervention…but all for the quest of “science”. I’m two fights from an epic so I suppose it’s a worthy effort.

[Troxx]

PS: my really long story about ac, defensive parses, elimination of DIs and all that jazz was to point out the importance of large amounts of data. It was relevant to the ongoing discussion.

The longer a parse is the higher your level of confidence that what actually happened was more than just luck and coincidence. There isn’t really anything wrong with your methodology. Your video is real, as are those logs. There is actual potential there - you just need more total data. Your findings may be very accurate - or not - we just do not know for certain because the data set is small. You have the capability to finish the job you started - the only question is whether you will or won’t.


In the event that you do show that the DW is a tiny bit better than 2h and that 2h + fist weaving is a bit better than DW, that will be a great starting point for the next steps in the discussion of what constitutes better. Would I doubt those findings at level 52 if there was sufficient data? Not really. As has already been pointed out the dmg bonus for 1handers for you right now is 9 … applied every 1.6 seconds before haste. IFS has a dmg bonus of only 18 at a delay of 4 seconds before haste. Epic fists at 52 has more dmg bonus potential than IFS at 52. It absolutely does not at level 60.

My parses at 60 do not translate directly to 52. This is why context is important. You need to have a good idea of what you want to learn before you parse. Part of that is understanding how the game operates at the level you are playing. For your monk - this is level 52 on a giant in Frontier Mountains in Kunark. Your results may vary from zone to zone, expansion to expansion and mob to mob.

Next steps will or would include:

-the fact that you are 52 and each level further you progress the more the damage bonus of 2handers will mature (2handers will only get better)
-the fact that 100% of your damage at 60 comes from your 2h weapon at 60 which is gifted triple attack
-the fact that you will actually take less damage when soloing/tanking from having a fraction of the ripostes from the mob (every little bit adds up)
-damage shields do exist

I never got to parse this stuff as a level 52. My monk was 59 I think when the patch went live. Warrior and Paladin were already 60. Back then PB and TStaff ran circles around IFS because all weapons had the same damage bonus. Now TStaff is still clearly better than IFS but by a much smaller margin. IFS and PB are quite similar. PB has a slightly worse ratio but a slightly better “sweet spot” for damage bonus (30 delay is about as perfect as it gets).

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

You've spent 30+ pages throwing a tantrum because you don't want to give out any data for no logical reason. I am not the problem here.

As I've stated many times, I have no grudges on these forums. We can have a real discussion at any time. You just need to swallow your ego and have a real discussion with data.

We can start at any time. You can provide your parses instead of hiding behind Bcbrown.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My parses at 60 do not translate directly to 52.

This is not a valid reason to charge 150 dollars for your parses.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

The closest thing I had to throwing a tantrum was telling you to stick your fucking baboon head in a toilet for interjecting (really stupidly I might add) in a comment I made directly to bcbrown regarding his observed spread of the hit values.

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It is nauseating to try to have a conversation with a smart fella only to have the village idiot interrupt without even comprehending the substance of what we are discussing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The closest thing I had to throwing a tantrum was telling you to stick your fucking baboon head in a toilet for interjecting (really stupidly I might add) in a comment I made directly to bcbrown regarding his observed spread of the hit values.

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It is nauseating to try to have a conversation with a smart fella only to have the village idiot interrupt without even comprehending the substance of what we are discussing.

Remember this gem?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=268

You can beg me for my parses all you want. You can go get your own damn parses for all I care. Whether I post my parses or not ... whether you shit on them or not ... whether you care to believe them or whatever the heck you are inclined to believe ...none of it changes in game *reality*. Those with the tools and the experience know the truth.

You admitted to being closeminded, where you wouldn't believe any parses of mine. You are the problem here. You have yet to nut up and post any data. You are hiding behind Bcbrown.

Instead of posting 30 pages of nonsense, just send us what you sent to Bcbrown, and we can have a big brain discussion. It isn't hard to just copy the contents of the private message. Why are you resisting so much?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of posting 30 pages of nonsense, just send us what you sent to Bcbrown, and we can have a big brain discussion. It isn't hard to just copy the contents of the private message. Why are you resisting so much?

Us? You mean you? I already set the ground rules. I spent roughly 83 minutes on it. We can round that down to 80. $150/hr works out to $2.50 a minute. That’ll be $200 PayPal or Venmo. No more freebies DSM. Beg all you want, you can pay me for my time or go out and get your own parses.

I suggest you get your own parses - it really isn’t that hard and you might actually learn something.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx keeps talking in circles. This is still reality, and he can change it whenever he wants:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I didn't edit it out of context. I quoted what you said directly. Reposting that full meltdown just makes you look worse, so thank you for supporting my position I guess.

For someone who doesn't want to waste their time, you've spent 30+ pages writing paragraphs of nothing. A well placed parse would make you look smart and shut me up. Sadly you don't have the parse. You have the data sent to Bcbrown in the forum already supposedly, so it's easy to copy it over.

Troxx has yet to nut up and provide his data. We can keep going in circles if he wants, but this is reality right now:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.