monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Duik]

^ What he/she/they said.

No disrespect. At all.

If I could use my actual face as an avatar without you all vomiting. I would.

DSM knoes All. KNOWONE Else Does.

[zelld52]

2hb out damages 1h even on high ax raid mobs. People wear the tuna fist / gharn rock to tank and for the stats, but for dPS there’s 4 better weps listed above.

[Duik]

Oh noes. zelld52 noes nuffin.
I Gnoh Gnuffin.
C wat I did there?

Caviat. In This Timeline.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Whenever parses and math are produced, you get posters like Duik, Troxx, and Croco spamming threads with trolling and nonsense.

If they think I am wrong, they could provide math and parses of their own. Sadly they don't do this. I have admitted to being wrong on these forums plenty of times, everybody can search the forum and see it. You can't say the same for posters like Troxx. I will happily do so again if better evidence than mine is provided.

The simple truth remains that 1h weapons are not always as bad as people try to claim. I did a quick video + parse which shows exactly that:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=113

I showed that Epic Fist + SoS will out-DPS Imbued Fighters Staff at level 52 if you don't unequip Imbued Fighter Staff every swing. Even when unequipping IFS every swing, the DPS was matched in the video. This is why generalizations are not always great. In the low 50s the 2h damage bonus is much lower, so they aren't as good. If you just believed the generalization about 2h being better, you wouldn't know this. Remember OP is level 16.

I am not sure why people are angry about this. I think it's a good thing that players have more weapon choices.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People wear the tuna fist / gharn rock to tank and for the stats, but for dPS there’s 4 better weps listed above.

Fist of Nature and Gharns out DPSes most 2h weapons. I don't think anybody has said they will out DPS an Abashi's. It's fine to use Fist of Nature + Gharns for DPS.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did a quick test with my Monk

Thanks for running a test! I don't think 2-3 minutes per side is really enough to draw any solid conclusions, but at least it's a start. One question I had is what are your hand-to-hand, 1hb, and 2hb skill levels?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for running a test! I don't think 2-3 minutes per side is really enough to draw any solid conclusions, but at least it's a start. One question I had is what are your hand-to-hand, 1hb, and 2hb skill levels?

If people want to parse more, that would be great! Sadly people are not posting data to suppprt their claims.

Three minutes is enough to see if there is a vast difference between the two weapon setups. A rusty dagger that lucked out and got a 100% hit rate with all max damage rolls would still be well below the DPS of a significantly superior weapon that parsed normally in a 3 minute parse.

2hb and 1hb are 244. Hand to Hand was 230 and went to 231 in the video. So you could say the Epic Fist + SoS setup was at a bit of a disadvantage.

[Troxx]

1) 2hander dmg bonus scales up with level. The higher level you are the more advantageous the 2h dmg bonus to 1 handed.

2) Monks triple attack mainhand at 60. I trust that most posters here are smart enough to see how this tips the scales massively in favor of 2hand weapons.

3) Thanks for a 2-3 minute parse on a level 52 monk? You successfully provided parses of woefully insufficient length on a low level scrub and want to extrapolate that to the performance of level 60 monks?

Lol

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1

Monk primary dmg bonus at level 52 for 1handers: 9
Monk primary damage bonus at level 60 for 1handers: 11
IFS (40 delay) dmg bonus at level 52: 18
IFS (40 delay) dmg bonus at level 60: 34

So for the 1hander you had a 22% bump in dmg bonus 52 vs 60
For IFS there is an 89% bump in dmg bonus 52 vs 60

Lol

Level up to 60 and try again?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) 2hander dmg bonus scales up with level. The higher level you are the more advantageous the 2h dmg bonus to 1 handed.

2) Monks triple attack mainhand at 60. I trust that most posters here are smart enough to see how this tips the scales massively in favor of 2hand weapons.

3) Thanks for a 2-3 minute parse on a level 52 monk? You successfully provided parses of woefully insufficient length on a low level scrub and want to extrapolate that to the performance of level 60 monks?

Lol

Troxx still has provided no data for any of his claims. Luckily people generally ignore him at this point. One day he may recover his reputation, but right now it's in the trash.

He still hasn't read my previous post, https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=113 which went over the damage bonus increase with level.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1

Monk primary dmg bonus at level 52 for 1handers: 9
Monk primary damage bonus at level 60 for 1handers: 11
IFS (40 delay) dmg bonus at level 52: 18
IFS (40 delay) dmg bonus at level 60: 34

So for the 1hander you had a 22% bump in dmg bonus 52 vs 60
For IFS there is an 89% bump in dmg bonus 52 vs 60

Bcbrown, I’m not exactly curious why he failed to even respond to this or acknowledge that monks triple attack at level 60 with mainhand.

He ignores anything they doesn’t jive with his preconceived notions.

Remember when he very assertively told a young monk there was no fail message for FD? Or that ANYONE on ANY CLASS could survive AoW if only there were an infinite number of clerics?

Dude isn’t exactly a fount of knowledge.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Three minutes is enough to see if there is a vast difference between the two weapon setups. A rusty dagger that lucked out and got a 100% hit rate with all max damage rolls would still be well below the DPS of a significantly superior weapon that parsed normally in a 3 minute parse.

2hb and 1hb are 244. Hand to Hand was 230 and went to 231 in the video. So you could say the Epic Fist + SoS setup was at a bit of a disadvantage.

Three minutes is enough to tell between a rusty weapon and a BiS weapon, yeah. It's not enough to tell between two weapon-sets that are within 10% of each other. For example, if you want a 95% probability that the number of heads on a fair coin is between 40% and 60%, you need to flip the coin 500 times.

I asked in part because I noticed the skill-up for h2h in the log. But the other reason I asked is because you have a 75% hit rate for the 1hb but just a 57% hit rate for 2hb. 62% hitrate for main-hand h2h, 60% for offhand h2h, so I wondered if there might be a skill disparity between 1hb and 2hb.

I'd expect at the same skill level for 1h and 2h to have similar hit rates, wouldn't you? I think it must be an artifact of the small sample size.