Iksar Monk: 20 sta the endgame choice?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can click from door or bow/jav. But it's a bard race that one, doubt a monk or rogue has done an initial pd in 5 years. Bards move so fast that stopsong and wand is faster than 250 jav from 250 as you close the gap and wand before the projectile.

But picking up a loose dragon from max range absolutely.

Edit: I don't bard a lot, did for 2nd time in a decade last month. might bard again in 2030.

Ahh I just remember jav can go through I guess a bow prob can too

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh I just remember jav can go through I guess a bow prob can too

Remember when Naulken launched one over Hokushin on the first bow fte for PD ever, setting off that chain of shitshow we still deal with today for motg/sev etc. good times

[sajbert]

So this is my takehome message from this topic so far:

- There's no consensus on what a true BIS setup is, unsurprising as its situation dependent but most posters here assume a raiding standpoint.

- DSM pointed out there is an AC softcap but did not prove that AC despite diminished return isn't the stat to go for in any tanking or solo scenario.

- For advanced pulls players seldom use javelins but instead use clickies which allows the use of ranged slot items like Vyemm's left Eye.

- Several posters have pointed out that if you forego AC for MR (a more relevant stat than AC for DPS and pulling) you will have less sta than in the profile I linked. Items like Robe of Azure Sky, Essence Pearl, Shawl of Protection and Cloak of the Falling Stars do not appear to be controversial picks as far as MR is concerned.

- Adding ALL of the above items to my original profile and equipping Fon+Gharns you're at 234 stamina with 0 attribute points spent, 239 if you use Do'Vassir's Gauntlets of Might. You could of course add more questionable item picks for even higher MR but there appears to be no consensus at to if the sacrifice is worth it even for raid pulling purposes. 40hp difference, which likely will never matter BUT we're talking minmaxing here!

- People consider Gharn's + FoN superior over Abashi. I have yet to see any DPS comparison made with velious 2h bonus taken into account. No consideration to ripostes, once again more of a raiding mindset in the topic.

- Buff slots matter and being able to forego a stamina buff is valuable although it appears to only be relevant for advanced pulls and AoE debuff fights that aren't trivial already.

- You can proc Primal off Eye of Zomm, meaning any time when you're not in a hurry and it's motivated to set up (solo or in raid) dex and str only needs to excede 150.

- Meathook is a monk celeb and favors dex. Cecily is a straight up gangsters and enjoys dex too.

Discussion:

For solo and small group challenges HP, AC and dex to me appear the better choices. Unless you use Holgresh Elder Beads to proc your primal in which case more points in dex is pointless. In most other situations you're either chain killing (primal is up) or the fight is too trivial to bother with tedious set-ups and dex wins out anyway. Velious stamina buff clicky is 45 mins so it's not too hard to keep up and adds another 23sta.

For raiding MR is valued and AC is not. High MR pieces are low on stamina and you want to preserve buffslots if possible. So for the highest HP + MR build stamina is the better choice.

Since it's possible to without a single point invested in sta get 200+ MR unbuffed and 249 sta (which caps self-buffed) I'll go with 20 dex. Should I ever need more MR than that in a raid puller setting and drop stamina gear for more MR I could always deal with having one less buffslot or 40 less HP, it'll never matter.

Whilst the stamina crew is trying to proc worker's sledgemallet my monk will already be dead outside VP, god bless you Talendor.

Also, leveling with dex and Tranquil Staff seems fun.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So this is my takehome message from this topic so far:

- There's no consensus on what a true BIS setup is, unsurprising as its situation dependent but most posters here assume a raiding standpoint.

- DSM pointed out there is an AC softcap but did not prove that AC despite diminished return isn't the stat to go for in any tanking or solo scenario.

If you are raid pulling anything above a dark blue con your AC above a certain point isn't going to matter that much but having max stam giving you as many possible hps as you can get might matter for a bigger mend that could save your life. Putting all your opening points into stam makes it easier to gear to a point of either maxing stam with your own shitty self buff from velious pants or not needing a stam buff at all which is great. You save time and possibly mana for yourself and the shaman that doesn't have to stam buff you.

Similarly if you are a monk and you're actually gearing for AC you're doing it wrong. Anything over about 1300ac in raid gear is great but not necessary to sacrifice other stats for.

Abashi over 1 handers all the way.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are raid pulling anything above a dark blue con your AC above a certain point isn't going to matter that much but having max stam giving you as many possible hps as you can get might matter for a bigger mend that could save your life. Putting all your opening points into stam makes it easier to gear to a point of either maxing stam with your own shitty self buff from velious pants or not needing a stam buff at all which is great. You save time and possibly mana for yourself and the shaman that doesn't have to stam buff you.

Similarly if you are a monk and you're actually gearing for AC you're doing it wrong. Anything over about 1300ac in raid gear is great but not necessary to sacrifice other stats for.

Abashi over 1 handers all the way.

Did you ever get back in riot?

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you ever get back in riot?

Never tried. My monk on wayfarer's haven is over 11k buffed now though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Omens about to drop in May. Great time to start some characters.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never tried. My monk on wayfarer's haven is over 11k buffed now though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Omens about to drop in May. Great time to start some characters.

Just don't attend any open raids there

[Toxigen]

if i had to pick between having abashi OR gharns + FoN

itd be abashi

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if i had to pick between having abashi OR gharns + FoN

itd be abashi

I'd choose 2 cek fists and gear 5 alts

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd choose 2 cek fists and gear 5 alts

mm yeah i was guilty of doing this too