FSI is overrated garb

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Solo and Raid content are different. Gearing/stats matter more in solo. Itemization is also fun for players in an RPG.

Gnome warriors roll around with 40% spell haste.
Small SK’s don’t have a 15 or 20% penalty.

Arguably small players level faster solo. Raid gear equals the playing field (my 70sta pally overcaps). Group content is well, trivial, because blue cons with a group is easy unless you are horrible.

Races are just different colors of M&M’s.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gnome warriors roll around with 40% spell haste.
Small SK’s don’t have a 15 or 20% penalty.

Arguably small players level faster solo. Raid gear equals the playing field (my 70sta pally overcaps). Group content is well, trivial, because blue cons with a group is easy unless you are horrible.

Races are just different colors of M&M’s.

Agreed gnome is superior level and solo race purely for 40% haste buff. No racial will equal that. 20% more then eye patch for basically free.

[greatdane]

A lot of this is either demonstrably incorrect or pointlessly misleading.

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

- Ogre classes do not parse higher than their other race counter parts when stat capped.

Ther are no ogre DPS classes and there's no point parsing the tank's DPS. FSI only comes into play when tanking. It's an undisputable fact that if you don't get stunned, you won't miss out on swings that would have occurred when stunned as another race; but it isn't a very big difference.

- There is no statistical margin that has been proven that shows ogres die less than other races because of FSI

That's because FSI does not affect raw survivability. It's a convenience that prevents you going into spin mode if you happened to be repositioning when you got bashed, or to avoid having your casts interrupted as SK/shaman. The lack of statistics doesn't prove it makes no difference. Every time an ogre shaman has successfully cast a spell that prevented a death but would have been interrupted if he were not an ogre, FSI caused one fewer death to happen. It's a non-zero number of times. Nobody has kept count.

- There is no statistical results that show Ogre shaman are anymore successful at solo challenges than their counter parts

Nobody is recording statistics like that. There's also no statistic that proves characters with SoW can run from Kelethin to Felwithe in less time than characters with jboots... because it's not something anyone has ever felt the need to ascertain. It is an undeniable fact that avoiding stuns from bash is helpful for soloing. It's pants-on-head idiotic to claim otherwise. The only question is whether one finds it more helpful than what the other races get, and that's a matter of personal opinion. Denying its existense is insanity.

• FSI fails to be useful anytime a creature is:
• Slowed
• Kicking instead of bashing because they have access to it
• You're not face tanking it

And CH fails to be useful if nobody is taking damage, snare fails to be useful if the mob isn't being kited or runs at low HP, backstab fails to be useful if you're not behind the mob, etc. Meaningless drivel.

- Bash still stops you from casting even if you're not stunned

Only a small percent of the time. The majority of the time, bash will not interrupt if you have FSI. I'd say it's like a 60-70% chance to avoid interruption.

- Situational Vacuums have to be created to justify FSI:

• What if there are 4 mobs on you, just back into a wall and you can cast!
  (If there are 4, at level mobs on you in end game, you're dead even if you get a single spell off. That's just fact.)
  (Maybe there is a case for FD, but chances are if you're in a high level dungeon, there's a caster, and if you're waiting for the perfect time to FD because you dont want it breaking in spell hit, you're dead most likely anyway.)
• What if you're trying to heal with the last second heal, and you get bashed and
  die!
  (Why didn't you heal before you got that low? At best, it's a 2% situation encounter)

More made-up nonsense. FSI is useful literally every single time you get bashed while casting and it prevented the interruption that other races would have suffered.

There's only one thing you can count FSI doing that is actually reliable:
- Keeping you from being knocked back by tunare. That's it. It's the only thing you can count on for it. Everything else is hyperbole, or inaccuracy.

...or, you know, literally every single time throughout your character's life that you get bashed while casting a spell and it prevented interruption. It's rich for you to call out "hyoperbole or inaccuracy" when your post is literally nothing but that. If you're trying to say that an ability has no value unless it's guaranteed to work every time, you must also believe that parry, dodge, melee attacks, and the entire metaphysical concept of chance is non-existent. If something's helpful a lot of the time, you can't just ignore the times it's helpful and decide that only the times it didn't matter count.

Seriously, why are we taking advice from players who show the same IQ score as their character's stat screen.

Pretty sure my ogre is smarter than you.

OP made a non-ogre shaman and is grasping for copium to convince himself he isn't missing out on anything.

[Snaggles]

Ogre warriors (or any 60 warrior) can dps just fine. People tanking don’t dps; while dpsing you arent tanking. Different weapons and discs.

The one thing that most people agree on is their race choice is the best. People who play ogres, trolls, and Iksars tend to be theoretical min-maxers more than looking for the RP or lore elements. They struggle to come to grips that their choice which was strictly for superiority isn’t that superior after all. In general they are less likely to find joy in self-deprecating humor because of this pixel yard-stick of how they are better inherently than another ___ race of their same class.

Are racial perks real? Yes.
Do they make a notable difference? Rarely.

Just pick a race. Pick a class. Get good at it.


Ps: Paladins get a spell called Divine Purpose. It trades 8hp regen for 3mana. Wanna guess how much of the time we use it at 60, lol? Hint: I forgot the name and had to look it up.

[ya.dingus]

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[Ripqozko]

if you cant wear a PD robe then you already chose wrong race, hope that helps. My pally looks much better wearing it then your ogre ever will.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you cant wear a PD robe then you already chose wrong race, hope that helps. My pally looks much better wearing it then your ogre ever will.

Wearing robes is silly on plate classes. Plate looks way cooler.

I wish there were more plate fashion sets for casters. Full Efreeti always looks great.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wearing robes is silly on plate classes. Plate looks way cooler.

I wish there were more plate fashion sets for casters. Full Efreeti always looks great.

Its ok to be wrong sometimes, this is one of those times. hope that helps.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its ok to be wrong sometimes, this is one of those times. hope that helps.

[Jimjam]

My 59 warrior has been hit by bash from lava duct crawlers 301 times (while playing on one of my laptops) in February and got stunned 3 times.

Edit there were 1095 missed bashes making 1396 bash attempts in total.

0.2% of bash attempts resulted in a stun. I haven't controlled for facing on these, just assumed they were all to the front.

From a bottomfeeding solo tank perspective FSI is not doing much.