FSI is overrated garb

[Snaggles]

I really don’t think you would notice having or not having FSI even on a shaman. I can’t recall a single time it mattered. Maybe level up another shaman so you have objective data on how much worse it is?

I would but have five 60’s already and don’t even like the shaman that much.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don’t think you would notice having or not having FSI even on a shaman. I can’t recall a single time it mattered. Maybe level up another shaman so you have objective data on how much worse it is?

I would but have five 60’s already and don’t even like the shaman that much.

I have always said Regeneration is better while leveling. That data isn't relevant.

FSI is better when you have Torpor, and Regeneration is better while leveling. From a min/max perspective, the assumption is you will reach level 60. That means the racial that is better at level 60 is objectively the better racial from a min/max perspective.

There are many people who are certain they won't reach level 60, and if that is the case I would tell people to roll Troll instead. The only downside to this thinking is P99 is a game that takes people years to get to 60 in many cases. Your opinion on if you will get to level 60 or not may change in that time.

I have also never said FSI is required. The debate is which racial is better, not if it is required.

[Snaggles]

Yes but you have only leveled one shaman right? So the Regen vs xp penalty is theorycrafted at best (I expect 20% slower leveling is worse and causes more people to not hit 60).

Likewise FSI is best at 60…ok in theory, but you won’t know how much a difference without swapping between two chars. I honestly think if you hid the spell interrupt bar you couldn’t even tell side to side. It’s harder than the Pepsi/Coke double blind.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes but you have only leveled one shaman right? So the Regen vs xp penalty is theorycrafted at best (I expect 20% slower leveling is worse and causes more people to not hit 60).

Likewise FSI is best at 60…ok in theory, but you won’t know how much a difference without swapping between two chars. I honestly think if you hid the spell interrupt bar you couldn’t even tell side to side. It’s harder than the Pepsi/Coke double blind.

FSI is better than Regeneration at level 60 in fact. You can run the numbers. Better doesn't mean "so good it's going to change your life". It just means statistically better when it matters. Some people like min/maxing every tiny percentage out of a game. I am not sure why people keep thinking I am arguing FSI is life changing. I have never said that, and I have repeated myself hundreds of times at this point.

When it comes to XP bonus vs. Regeneration, that is always going to be hard to quantify. Regeneration allows you to kill more mobs per hour, which means you are going to be getting more money/items while leveling. Even if Barbarians end up dinging 60 a bit sooner, if they want to have the same money/items as the troll, they will need to spend the time they saved farming stuff. Now obviously a Torpor Shaman can farm better than a pre-60 Shaman. But it does take time and skill to learn how to kill the good mobs with a Torpor Shaman, compared to just farming guards 20% longer.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. I am not sure why people keep thinking I am arguing FSI is life changing. I have never said that, and I have repeated myself hundreds of times at this point.

You tend to be long-winded (join the club, I am too often enough) and we live in the Sound Bite era: I figure a lot of folks aren't actually reading all of it. A fair number of folks read a couple lines then click "reply" looking to pick a fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tend to be long-winded (join the club, I am too often enough) and we live in the Sound Bite era: I figure a lot of folks aren't actually reading all of it. A fair number of folks read a couple lines then click "reply" looking to pick a fight.

Yeah I figured at this point people are skimming. You just can't seem to win on these forums though. If you are succinct people try to "gotcha" you and take things out of context. If you explain your ideas in detail people don't read it lol.

I have tried both ways, and being long winded ends up being better, since at least you can show where people didn't read hehe.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I figured at this point people are skimming. You just can't seem to win on these forums though. If you are succinct people try to "gotcha" you and take things out of context. If you explain your ideas in detail people don't read it lol.

I have tried both ways, and being long winded ends up being better, since at least you can show where people didn't read hehe.

Thank you for finally admitting you are trying to win instead of accusing others of doing so!

I’m liking the progress 😁

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FSI is better than Regeneration at level 60 in fact. You can run the numbers. Better doesn't mean "so good it's going to change your life". It just means statistically better when it matters. Some people like min/maxing every tiny percentage out of a game. I am not sure why people keep thinking I am arguing FSI is life changing. I have never said that, and I have repeated myself hundreds of times at this point.

When it comes to XP bonus vs. Regeneration, that is always going to be hard to quantify. Regeneration allows you to kill more mobs per hour, which means you are going to be getting more money/items while leveling. Even if Barbarians end up dinging 60 a bit sooner, if they want to have the same money/items as the troll, they will need to spend the time they saved farming stuff. Now obviously a Torpor Shaman can farm better than a pre-60 Shaman. But it does take time and skill to learn how to kill the good mobs with a Torpor Shaman, compared to just farming guards 20% longer.

There’s no numbers to support FSI being better than Regen at 60 hehe. Especially since you have to be tanking to actually get said benefit. You just believe the benefit is greater than the benefit of regen. Purely subjective, but you are entitled to your opinion. You don’t need to “win” everything, as you just previously admitted. It’s ok to accept there is no right answer, because there isn’t, or the shaman racial debate wouldn’t keep going. Nobody is debating about human monks over iksar monks for a reason.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There’s no numbers to support FSI being better than Regen at 60 hehe. Especially since you have to be tanking to actually get said benefit. You just believe the benefit is greater than the benefit of regen. Purely subjective, but you are entitled to your opinion. You don’t need to “win” everything, as you just previously admitted. It’s ok to accept there is no right answer, because there isn’t, or the shaman racial debate wouldn’t keep going. Nobody is debating about human monks over iksar monks for a reason.

Female iksar have tri dildo on their head, clearly inferior.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for finally admitting you are trying to win instead of accusing others of doing so!

I’m liking the progress ��

See? Gotchas. That is an expression saying "you can't win". I am not literally saying I want to win. But again, this is the only thing you can do since you aren't actually showing evidence to support your position.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There’s no numbers to support FSI being better than Regen at 60 hehe. Especially since you have to be tanking to actually get said benefit. You just believe the benefit is greater than the benefit of regen. Purely subjective, but you are entitled to your opinion. You don’t need to “win” everything, as you just previously admitted. It’s ok to accept there is no right answer, because there isn’t, or the shaman racial debate wouldn’t keep going. Nobody is debating about human monks over iksar monks for a reason.

I've posted loads of data. You simply ignoring it isn't an argument.

You just need to accept that in a video game, which is built on rules and math, there is a right and wrong answer. There is a best and worst racial. I am not sure why this bothers you, and you must force your belief on people that there is "no right answer". That is factually incorrect.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh....k.

If you don't believe me, please quote me where I said FSI was life changing or required. You won't find it.