What classes are over populated

[Greenkrak]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even though I play one, i'll admit wizards bring the least to nearly any group (except AoE, where wizards do shine). Even Rangers bring more sustained damage over time. The wizard stun line is ok, but chanter stuns cast a lot faster and seem to draw less aggro, so are more useful for critical interrupts. Sure, wizards can frontload damage in a bad situation - but there are still tons of better classes to deal with a bad situation.

Aside: i'm just being honest - I still love the class and play it as well as I can in any situation - I just prefer to be honest about comparing it with other classes and deal with that reality rather than convincing myself my class is better than it is.

Think of a wizard level 51-59 (sunstrike @60 is roughly 3.59 damage per mana, any of the draught nuke line are about 3.06-3.1 depending on level) as pretty much this:

( [mana regeneration over T time period] x ~3.06 ) - resists = Sustained damage over T

Aside: my #'s on med ticks and c2 might be slightly off, but the point stands)

So, without clarity: [200 mana in 10 ticks or 60 seconds] x ~3.06 = 612 damage per minute = 10.2 DPS.

With C2: [310 mana in 10 ticks or 60 seconds] x ~3.06 = 948.6 damage per minute = 15.81 DPS

Ranger dps with average gear = ???

I don't know what it is, but i'm betting it's higher than 15.81, not including VoG or some other haste...

If rain spells like Tears of Druzzil didn't have such high resist rates and pets didn't eat their ticks (which is a classic mechanic unfortunately), they'd be useful. And it's sad to say, but Splurt alone, with its 6.88 damage per mana ratio and 17 dps over its full duration, is pretty much better than wizard sustained dps (if every mob fought was splurted and took the full duration, which might not happen - but the necro's pet and other dots, although less efficient than splurt, make it no contest).


But suffice it to say, the wizard's benefit is on larger raid mobs where they can dump their damage on a single target in a small window of time or in a situation where AoE is useful...and quad kiting is definitely effective and fun.

But we suck in typical groups.

All this may be true, but as previously stated quadding makes up for most of this in being able to fly through levels and make money faster than any other class, not to mention being fun and easily the best soloer in the game xp wise 34+.

What other class can nuke for 1k damage and bring down mobs faster than any other class?

Ive been in plenty of groups as a wiz and unless theres no ench/bard for mana regen i can nuke usually twice per mob (1300ish damage) with Draught spells. Thats about 30% of the mobs health...if thats not dps than i dont know what the fuck is. (using KC as example) Of course if theres like 3 monks or something this will not work as mobs tend to die way to fast.

Sayin a necro dps is better is a joke, necros should know their ROLE and spam twitch and make sure their better half (pet) gets in the action.



O yeah and porting.... not only can this easily fund an above average gear set earlier in a wizz career but porting around wherever the hell you want to go is a HUGE advantage, and you don't have to be a pansy ass druid. Case Closed.






o yea and we all know Spaceman musta got raped by a wiz when he was little or something for all that hate.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All this may be true, but as previously stated quadding makes up for most of this in being able to fly through levels

Only after 24, and still not faster than a necro , or for that matter a mage grinding in the right spots.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and make money faster than any other class

Nope, Seafuries are easier to handle if you can sit on their spawn points with a pet and own their faces. Necros and Mages are better at this.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not to mention being fun and easily the best soloer in the game xp wise 34+

That's necro.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other class can nuke for 1k damage and bring down mobs faster than any other class?

Very situational. If a mage wants to play hardball he can actually do it better.

And there's not much of a benefit to killing a single mob really quickly and then medding for 8-10 minutes.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive been in plenty of groups as a wiz and unless theres no ench/bard for mana regen i can nuke usually twice per mob (1300ish damage) with Draught spells. Thats about 30% of the mobs health...if thats not dps than i dont know what the fuck is.

So, you only do one mob every 2 minutes? Because if you're using 430 mana per mob and it takes a little over 2 minutes to med that much mana...

Get a damage parser and see how much damage a rogue, monk, or even a ranger or warrior does in the same span of time, or better yet, across the duration of your group. Your sustained dps is pitiful in comparison.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sayin a necro dps is better is a joke, necros should know their ROLE and spam twitch and make sure their better half (pet) gets in the action.

Yeah, and that necro could literally do absolutely nothing aside from sending his pet at mobs and do more sustained damage than you - particularly if you have a tank that positions mobs so the level 53 necro pet can backstab.

And if you do the math, necro twitch isn't as efficient as the necro actually dpsing - it's more for when the cleric desperately needs mana.

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O yeah and porting.... not only can this easily fund an above average gear set earlier in a wizz career but porting around wherever the hell you want to go is a HUGE advantage

Porting is less pp/hour than quadding seafuries or HGs, or even camping certain named mobs. It's good when you're younger - but unfortunately:

Originally Posted by Greenkrak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and you don't have to be a pansy ass druid.

Druids actually get better port locations earlier and can self-sow. They're a better travel class than wizards.


And you're right, the case is closed - because if you run the numbers, wizards lose. Until you actually compare sustained dps during the course of the group, you don't realize what's actually happening. You just see your big numbers and get all misty-eyed.

Wizards simply don't do what other classes can do. Just saying "omg I nuked something for 30% of its life, obviously i'm awesome in a group" doesn't actually compare classes - it's a statement in a vacuum and doesn't accomplish anything.

[Sjet]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From just over a month ago -
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...2&postcount=25

There are a good number of shaman on the server, but as long as you don't mind solo'ing when you can't find a group they're a fun class. At 60 they're very much desired in exp groups and raids.

Bard, Rogue, and Wizard are the three classes I wish I saw more people playing. Both for exp, and in raids.

I sit lfg for hours on my wizard while soloing, and rarely get any tells beyond guildies.

[CHusk2]

I don't know why people think you can't solo as a cleric. I've soloed the vast majority of my existence up to this point (43 cleric). from like 8 to 30 if you have the bonethunder staff you can stomp undead yellows with relative ease.

Furthermore, you have lull which lets you split a lot of things other classes can't split, even indoors. I did roughly 35-39 camping the goblin king in permafrost while simultaneously working on my undergraduate thesis, it's not difficult (the camping, not the thesis).

Fighting casters? You have resist buffs, root, and stun. Casters are your bitches. The only down side is the long ass med time which most other classes have to deal with, too.

The point is, you can solo with a cleric very effectively. If shit goes down, just gate and try again. Oh, and if you die just exp res yourself. Who else gets to do that? Nobody... well maybe epic level paladins, but that's it.

Try killing giants with a cleric. It's very fun and surprisingly effective.

[Tycko]

Want to sit LFG for hours while doing nothing: WAR,ROG,
Want to get in a group : CLR
Want to sit LFG for hours while solo'n:Everything else

[Motec]

Originally Posted by Tycko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want to sit LFG for hours while doing nothing: WAR,ROG,
Want to get in a group : CLR
Want to sit LFG for hours while solo'n:Everything else

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha hahhaha

Obvious words of someone who hasnt sat 40+ hours straight lfg on a cleric between picking up mages/enc/monk/wars/necros to duo with.

[Mcbard]

The only class I see perhaps too many of is monks. They seem to be the flavor of the year because of Kunark. Other than that I've seen shortages of everything else.

[Webwolf]

We need more clerics

[Motec]

Soloing as a cleric is possibly the worst thing you can possibly do with your time in this game. /thread.

[Stormhowl]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soloing as a cleric is possibly the worst thing you can possibly do with your time in this game. /thread.

This statement would be true if not for the existence of the Ranger class.

Edit: Actually, I can think of a whole list of things that would be a bigger waste of time than soloing as a Cleric. Like sitting LFG and not soloing while you wait.