Enchanter vs Shaman. Who is the better money maker? - Page 3

Raj · #1 01-05-2023, 09:59 AM

The real answer is any class that farms legacy items early enough on a new server. Also those (of any class) who spends his or her DKP on high value tradables and shamelessly sells DKP earned loot - or fairly, depending on if the guild policy or if the guild disintegrates etc..

Barring that, enchanter for sure over shaman if you dont mind dying occasionally and have some good friendships for all those rezzes or small groups or duos w a cleric. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nparse + Gina make chantering alot easier on P99 even though neither is strictly necessary. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stay strong my friends, and don't forget to have fun! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Encroaching Death · #2 01-05-2023, 10:11 AM

I'm thinking of playing an Enchanter.

Not because it's a money-maker, but because I've never played one before.

DeathsSilkyMist · #3 01-05-2023, 11:03 AM

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I'm thinking of playing an Enchanter.

Not because it's a money-maker, but because I've never played one before.

Enchanters do play different for sure. You got some of the taste with your necro since they can lull and charm, but Enchanters do get more tools than a Necro for control, and you aren't limited to Undead.

As for your Monk's solo-ability after getting those items, it does indeed depend on what level you are. I got a Fungi Tunic recently for a baby Monk, and it made levels 10-20 fly by since I basically never had to sit.

But yeah, once you start fighting mobs that are level 40+, they hit too hard for Fungi Tunic to work like it does when fighting mobs from 1-39. Fungi Tunic becomes a tool to reduce down time, rather than a crazy efficient damage soaker.

Plumpys · #4 01-05-2023, 04:43 PM

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I'm thinking of playing an Enchanter.

Not because it's a money-maker, but because I've never played one before.

I never played one on live and finally made one as my 4th char on p99 and now main it. The versatility and the excitement are what did it for me.

sajbert · #5 01-07-2023, 06:29 AM

Enchanter can hit the biggest cash prizes.

Enchanters are better at breaking into dungeons.

Enchanters are strictly better than shamans until they get Torpor and arguably require good gear as well. Thus until at least Kunark enchanters are strictly better. You don’t need to invest all that pp into your farming character either.

Shamans are not, despite what silly things DSM may say, good sustained DPS killers like a mage. This type of farming is typically risk free and doesn’t involve corpse runs and you don’t have to spend weeks in EC auctioning your goods (something that most never take into account when discussing pp/hr. However, it also means you have few or no AFK-breaks but gotta attend your computer all the time. Tedium…

IMO: Shamans are poor farming characters but great mains that can fuel much of their own progression. If you want to level a character to make money for other characters then make an enchanter.

DeathsSilkyMist · #6 01-07-2023, 11:36 AM

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Shamans are not, despite what silly things DSM may say, good sustained DPS killers like a mage.

What I am saying is not silly. I think people just don't really take into account the other factors that go in to playing Everquest. I'll admit that I often try and give the quick explanation (which isn't fully detailed), and people don't end up reading the longer ones when I miss something in the quick explaination.

Let me try a simpler example. For the life of me I cannot find a lot of Mage videos. Here is a video of a mage killing Oosa Shadowthumper:

https://youtu.be/jhm9K-ePJAk?t=372

It takes him from 6:12 to 7:38 to kill the mob. He is spending 175 Mana on a single Scars of Sigil, 300 Mana on Vocarate: Earth, 155 mana on Cadeau of Flame, and 150 mana on Burnout IV.

Here is a log of me killing the same mob with just what a level 56 Shaman would have spell wise. I am not using Epic, just JBB. I made a video too if people really want to see it:

It took my Shaman from 07:05:03 to 07:06:25. Time-wise, the kill speeds are basically identical (1:28 vs 1:22). From a DPS perspective, that means a 56 Shaman can keep up with a 56 Mage. How is the sustain?

The Mage will spend 780 mana per kill, which means it takes almost 4 minutes to fully med back the mana.

The Shaman will spend 675 mana per kill on Turgur's Insects + Bane of Nife. The mob did 487 damage to me, and the pet can eat the HT. If you factor in the initial cost of the pet + 4 regrowths, that is 1900 mana over an hour (assuming no pet deaths), which would add a cost of 32 mana per minute. So basically 730 mana and 500 damage per kill. That would take closer to 4 minutes to meditate/regenerate back.

As you can see, a level 56 Shaman could keep up with a level 56 Mage when fighting mobs of similar stats with JBB, Spirit of Howler, Bane of Nife, and Turgurs Insects. Obviously at level 60 Mages get stronger pets, and Droga mobs are lower level than Oosa, but honestly people wouldn't even believe a level 56 Shaman could keep up DPS-wise with a Mage if they didn't see the numbers.

Unfortunately I simply don't have any raw data from a Mage in Droga to get exact kill speeds per hour. When grinding out greens you are looking at kills per hour. A 60 Shaman with Torpor and Epic is going to be able to kill and move more often than a Mage since they don't have to Med, albeit at a slower speed. I would be curious to know how many kills per hour a Mage can get (without Epic since it is just really hard to get). Then I can do the same on my Shaman and we can get a better picture of the actual differences. I am pretty certain an Epic Pet could chew through Droga way faster since they don't have to backstab, but solo Mage DPS without Epic is lower since you can't backstab.

Ripqozko · #7 01-07-2023, 11:39 AM

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What I am saying is not silly. I think people just don't really take into account the other factors that go in to playing Everquest. I'll admit that I often try and give the quick explanation (which isn't fully detailed), and people don't end up reading the longer ones when I miss something in the quick explaination.

Let me try a simpler example. For the life of me I cannot find a lot of Mage videos. Here is a video of a mage killing Oosa Shadowthumper:

https://youtu.be/jhm9K-ePJAk?t=372

It takes him from 6:12 to 7:38 to kill the mob. He is spending 175 Mana on a single Scars of Sigil, 300 Mana on Vocarate: Earth, 155 mana on Cadeau of Flame, and 150 mana on Burnout IV.

Here is a log of me killing the same mob with just what a level 56 Shaman would have spell wise. I am not using Epic, just JBB. I made a video too if people really want to see it:

It took my Shaman from 07:05:03 to 07:06:25. Time-wise, the kill speeds are basically identical (1:28 vs 1:22). From a DPS perspective, that means a 56 Shaman can keep up with a 56 Mage. How is the sustain?

The Mage will spend 780 mana per kill, which means it takes almost 4 minutes to fully med back the mana.

The Shaman will spend 675 mana per kill on Turgur's Insects + Bane of Nife. The mob did 487 damage to me, and the pet can eat the HT. If you factor in the initial cost of the pet + 4 regrowths, that is 1900 mana over an hour (assuming no pet deaths), which would add a cost of 32 mana per minute. So basically 730 mana and 500 damage per kill. That would take closer to 4 minutes to meditate/regenerate back.

As you can see, a level 56 Shaman could keep up with a level 56 Mage when fighting mobs of similar stats with JBB, Spirit of Howler, Bane of Nife, and Turgurs Insects. Obviously at level 60 Mages get stronger pets, and Droga mobs are lower level than Oosa, but honestly people wouldn't even believe a level 56 Shaman could keep up DPS-wise with a Mage if they didn't see the numbers.

Unfortunately I simply don't have any raw data from a Mage in Droga to get exact kill speeds per hour. When grinding out greens you are looking at kills per hour. A 60 Shaman with Torpor and Epic is going to be able to kill and move more often than a Mage since they don't have to Med, albeit at a slower speed. I would be curious to know how many kills per hour a Mage can get (without Epic since it is just really hard to get). Then I can do the same on my Shaman and we can get a better picture of the actual differences.

Ah shit, here we go again.

Toxigen · #8 01-08-2023, 04:45 PM

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Ah shit, here we go again.

magnetaress · #9 01-05-2023, 12:52 PM

the highest kill rate goes to necros for the avg npc (sustained dps and self heals and regen and lich)

next enhanters they do have some downtime (and can die)

shms require a lot of work to come in 3rd

if you are just killing as many npc as possible in the shortest time.

Trelaboon · #10 01-05-2023, 01:06 PM

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I'm leaning towards Enchanter, but Shaman is probably much easier to play?

I want pros and cons (before I spend too much money on my Shaman alt)

Enchanter vs Shaman. Who is the better money maker?

I have both at 60 and honestly can’t stand farming on my Shaman. I can’t stand the constant canni/torpor/dot play style and it’s way slower. Enchanter also doesn’t require a 50k spell in order to farm gear. You can basically farm anything with a basic tunnel gear setup and the only spell you want that’s semi expensive is Bedlam. I do all my farming on my Enchanter.