[Need Help ASAP] Lists and Lines For Camps

[Coridan]

Originally Posted by Chikorita [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wish people would report actual guide interventions on actual situations so we had some kind of case law to go by. What players say is irrelevant. What guides do is relevant. Players make up all kinds of rules in their heads but they don't have the ban hammer so who cares. From reading this thread it sounds like you can just have a single guild lock down the camp forever.

"Can i get on the list"
"No, the list already goes on to infinity between CharA, CharB, CharC and CharD. Sorry"

No one holding a camp needs to (or should be) maintaining anything beyond who is immediately next. If I'm camping something and Soandso is next, and someone else asks to get on the list. I tell him to message Soandso. If Soandso aint there when I'm done, I'm just fucking off and whoever gets there gets there.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Coridan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one holding a camp needs to (or should be) maintaining anything beyond who is immediately next. If I'm camping something and Soandso is next, and someone else asks to get on the list. I tell him to message Soandso. If Soandso aint there when I'm done, I'm just fucking off and whoever gets there gets there.

This, I message the next guy and it's his problem whether he's there fast enough to take the camp or not. If he takes 10 mins to log in and someone has taken it in the meantime, tough shit

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can just take any camp you want, OP. Just tell the tired Guide who pms you after 10000 petitions but really doesn’t care about non raid level disputes ‘oh sorry thought I was first’

[loramin]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The camp rules are pretty clear on this,the camp holder can pass to whomever they want as long as they are within a few minutes of spawn.

Lies: the camp rules say nothing about "a few minutes" anywhere. I wish they specified time.

The only language we have to go on, officially, is that you have to wait "a reasonable amount of time" if you want to take a camp from someone. So if someone is going to give a camp to their guildie, but you wait 20 seconds, and they don't engage, you can take the camp ... as long as you're willing to bet that if a GM shows up, they consider 20 seconds "reasonable". (I would, but I'm no GM.)

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lies: the camp rules say nothing about "a few minutes" anywhere. I wish they specified time.

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person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so.

Copied directly from camp rules.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so.

Copied directly from camp rules.

Ah, good catch! I'd forgotten about that for lists, and that quote is actually more specific than you indicated ("couple" being more specific than "few").

But still, with the "in general" and "or so" in there, it almost amounts to as much as "a reasonable amount of time". All we know is that if you wait at least two minutes you can probably take a camp from someone who claims there's someone on a list incoming ... but even that's not certain.

And it's also unclear ... let's say I get to AC and it's up, but someone is sitting there claiming their guildie is inc. If I wait one minute, then kill the AC, will I get in trouble?

All it would take is one sentence from the staff (eg. "You only get the right to rekill a mob you killed previously for exactly one minute after it spawns") to eliminate so much disagreement between players.

[Chortles Snortles]

if you're not in zone when the next PH spawns, fuck off

[Chortles Snortles]

hey guys my opinion is beneficial, read all about it on the wiki
(lol)

[dareo]

OOT AC is simple. You clear it and keep a list. Eventuallly, AC pops and you notify everyone on the list. People offline/not contactable at that time are skipped. People who are next and able to be there and clear the camp before the next PH are up. No need to make it any more complicated that that.

[Woodark]

I remember when the AC camp started on this server the player maintained list was so long that it required multiple macros to store all the names. I’m surprised this isn’t a /list camp.

Make some minor tweaks to the /list feature to catch players attempting to automate it and ban those that cheat.