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[Malk]

Originally Posted by Octavian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SK's are supposed to rely on their taunt now? Right...

Warriors be like

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[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Octavian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about this situation (and I'll add the disease cloud/shadow vortex break as well) feels desperately in need of being reverted to how it was pre-patch. Yet, is there talk of this happening? Do they realize how completely broken aggro is now? And how utterly useless SK's have become?

If the logic is "do what the live devs did," then take a look at the whole timeline of EQ, where SK's received several lines of different aggro spells to make them the absolute, undisputed kings of snap aggro, as they were always meant to be.

I was on my 60 SK last night trying to help a group of lowbies by tanking for them bc they didn't have one. The humiliation when I couldn't keep aggro off a bunch of lvl 25-30's spamming disease cloud/shadow vortex.

So what... SK's are supposed to rely on their taunt now? Right...

This is a free server, ran by humans that spend their hard time offering a free game. Why don't you calm down buddy and if you don't like it, leave! I personally love the changes and have been keeping aggro no problem. This isn't wow where you have a " pull aggro" button. Learn to communicate with your group members.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a free server, ran by humans that spend their hard time offering a free game. Why don't you calm down buddy and if you don't like it, leave! I personally love the changes and have been keeping aggro no problem. This isn't wow where you have a " pull aggro" button. Learn to communicate with your group members.

lets get real here, the game is free because it is illegal for them to make money off of it.

obviously we all appreciate the work the staff does. but does or should their altruistic labor of love shield them from all criticism? I propose it does not.

these p99 devs have heard alot worse than, "wahh a game mechanic got broke", and they have thick skin. They tolerate a lot of staff bashing up to some line where shit gets real I guess.

Now, if you're a game developer, and when something goes wrong in your game and all your players get pissed, and express that they are pissed, that means that they like your game, and care about it.

If nobody got pissed when your game broke then it means your game sucks and nobody cares that it broke.

The internet is no place for amenable meekness, and every single one of us knows it.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Octavian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet, is there talk of this happening? Do they realize how completely broken aggro is now?

This bears repeating: The senior developers don't play on P1999 insofar as we know, and we have little reason to believe they're even aware that there's a problem, let alone how severe it is. At least I haven't seen 'em post anything on the forum. Can't get fixes until we first get their attention.

Danth

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This bears repeating: The senior developers don't play on P1999 insofar as we know, and we have little reason to believe they're even aware that there's a problem, let alone how severe it is. At least I haven't seen 'em post anything on the forum. Can't get fixes until we first get their attention.

Danth

I'm sure they at least test changes in some kind of private environment. It would be nonsensical to simply write code for something and not actually test what you're doing.

[Uthgaard]

Dev interview with the guy who designed the eq spell system, goes in depth about spell aggro

osted @ Sat, Oct 20th 11:08 PM 2001 Score: Decent[3.03]
Hybrids easily outtaunt warriors if they have half a brain.

Rangers - Taunt, Flame Lick, Kick, Beg, Snare, Taunt. That mob'll be on you the whole fight.

SK - AC tap, Taunt, Beg, Disease Cloud, Disease Cloud, Taunt.

Paladin - Taunt, Stun, Beg, Root, Flash of Light, Stun, Taunt.

What can a warrior do?
Taunt, Kick, Beg... Taunt, Kick, Beg.

This is a very useful spell. And I'm not sure if many people know this, but this spell pisses MoBs off more then pretty much anything else you get. With disease cloud, a SK can out-taunt pretty much anyone in the game and live (sure wizards can use some huge DD spells, but will they live to tell about it?). Taunting is extremely important. It keeps the cleric alive, and if you want to see some real damage use this and taunt constantly while a rogue gets behind it and backstabs.


The other benifit is that it stops / slows regeneration, and lasts a LONG time. Very good when you think you're about to lose sight of a MOB somehow (like losing crocs in the Oasis water bug), and you don't want it to come back with 100% health later.


At higher levels this spell flies out, and 10 mana is reall insignificant =)


Submited by: Trev (High Lords of
On: 12/19/2000 7:13:44 AM

Heart Flutter This is a triple threat spell. It not only weakens your opponent and lowers their armor class but it also does damage over time.

Taunt mobs off casters : Use your flame lick spell, fast cast, MAJOR taunt, low mana cost... And reduces AC too, just my 2 p. I know that that is a low lvl spell, but believe me, i can agro kit any mob, even if there are 2 wizzies in group if i cast flame lick continuously. Snare is good too, but costs much and is slower, so in case of emergency, use flame lick, and never hesitate to root a mob who hates your caster and take a few secs to build hate : snare , flame lick X2, an arrow between each spell recovery, and a nuke to break the root, and if the mob is really more intelligent than his friends ( sometimes happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ), then use taunt and cast again til h

Sinixtrax Pinewalker, 44 ranger on Vazaelle,
member of DROIT DIVIN

Posted @ Thu, Aug 30th 3:26 PM 2001

Date: Tue Aug 14 10:39:50 2001
Author: Stormfang
Subject: Re: Paladins

Creating aggro for me? NO problem: Snare. The beasties hate it. Flame Lick. They hate that just as bad. For some reason Flame Lick creates more hate than just about any other dot until you get into the Taunt. Lots of it. All the time. Journeyman's Walking Stick. Procs Tashani, which creates a HUGE amount of aggro. Really pisses em off.

Flame Lick. AKA: Instant Aggro. I hunted Slavers in Crushbone with a full group and
dropped this on one of the buggers. No amount of taunting from the warriors, pets beating on the thing, or cleric heals got the slaver off of me. My ranger has this too and for pulling it is awesome. Also try this: root the mob, drop Flame Lick and kite. By the time root breaks you have a very mad but
1/2 health target to melee. Submited by: Gabiael of Vallon ak On: 9/13/2000 9:52:30 AM

I really could keep going for days but at this point I don't think it's necessary

[Ooloo]

And to think I dropped 20k on a wavecrasher like two weeks ago lol... only reason it costs so much is cause the slow proc is supposed to be big aggro for a war

[Chortles Snortles]

OH NO AUTOATTACK AFK ISN'T WORKING
(lol)

[Fammaden]

The guy he's replying to has been throwing a total temper tantrum on multiple areas of the forums over shadowknights specifically, while taking apparently zero time to actually understand the issues instead of just raging out.

Criticizing the changes is fine, acting like a baby is a dumb look and he's getting called out for it.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy he's replying to has been throwing a total temper tantrum on multiple areas of the forums over shadowknights specifically, while taking apparently zero time to actually understand the issues instead of just raging out.

Criticizing the changes is fine, acting like a baby is a dumb look and he's getting called out for it.

Octavian also keeps mentioning using hp scaled aggro spells vs low level (presumably low hp) mobs and wondering why they don't generate aggro as well as a group full of (presumably) hasted twink weapon swinging away ...