What chance does a non-competitive player have on this server?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately even if OP apps to kingdom or any raid guild and gets accepted, he'll quickly realize that he's still gonna be passed over within his own guild unless he poopsocks and clique's up. Seemingly every guild on green now has the same pitch: "Join us cause it's totally laid back but also raid friendly" blah blah. We all know the people who are on discord and in game 24\7 are treated differently than the warm bodies.

They do get treated differently ... they earn more DKP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's the beauty of DKP guilds: the hardcore players get enough DKP to deck their third alt out in Vulak gear ... while all the more casual players play a lot less, slowly save up DKP, and buy something cool for themselves every so often. Both pay the same price for everything: the hardcore people don't get special discounts or anything.

In either case though, you can be as hardcore, or as softcore, as you want. I mean, sure, if you're Mage wanting an epic, you'll probably have to track Hate. But for everything else, it's simply a matter of being online and showing up to whatever mob someone else tracked.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They do get treated differently ... they earn more DKP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's the beauty of DKP guilds: the hardcore players get enough DKP to deck their third alt out in Vulak gear ... while all the more casual players play a lot less, slowly save up DKP, and buy something cool for themselves every so often. Both pay the same price for everything: the hardcore people don't get special discounts or anything.

In either case though, you can be as hardcore, or as softcore, as you want. I mean, sure, if you're Mage wanting an epic, you'll probably have to track Hate. But for everything else, it's simply a matter of being online and showing up to whatever mob someone else tracked.

Well yes, and again I think it more or less should be that way. I guess my beef is with how guilds pitch themselves to new members, I wish they'd be a little more transparent and honest.

They should say: "Join our guild, it's "laid back" in the sense that you can earn DKP and eventually spend it, provided the guild doesn't fall apart before you ever get to bid on anything and also I hope you don't mind that everyone will probably ignore you the first few months of your membership if you need help with something that isn't a dkp-earning event. Join Seal-Safe-King-Legacy-Foh-Fow today!"

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately even if OP apps to kingdom or any raid guild and gets accepted, he'll quickly realize that he's still gonna be passed over within his own guild unless he poopsocks and clique's up. Seemingly every guild on green now has the same pitch: "Join us cause it's totally laid back but also raid friendly" blah blah. We all know the people who are on discord and in game 24\7 are treated differently than the warm bodies.

That being said, I think it *should* be that way. This game is hard, and it's why I like it. Achievements feel meaningful if they are hard to achieve, regardless of what is making them hard to achieve. There are other games you can play if you want "contested" stuff more easily, although I'd argue it's no longer really contested if it's easy to get.

Yea this has been my experience 100%

I joined Castle easily. No issues, just agreed to the rules which I honestly can’t even remember anymore, but luckily still haven’t broken

Almost a year ago I tagged along to a few raids that I heard about in guildchat. But lately everything is pretty organized. There’s I believe a sign up sheet on discord, raid times are announced, etc. Doesn’t come close to the well-oiled machine that classic WoW (the 2020 version) raiding was for me, but still pretty dang organized

Discord and sign ups are too much trouble for me. I log in whenever I feel like it, and don’t like feeling compelled to log on at some pre-arranged time. I got enough of that shit in classic WoW when my co-worker who played (I joined his guild) and I were having to duck out of work early to not be replaced in the WoW raid sign up discord due to a 10 minute tardiness cutoff

So because it’s all too much effort for me, that means no raids. This isn’t a complaint though. I’m fine with it like you are. It’s how it should be, organized is better than scattered

But you better be ready to commit

[Chortles Snortles]

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[Ooloo]

Lmao I love chortles

[branamil]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

This post sounds way more sour grapes than my post even did!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

You don't need BiS gear for solid improvement on your gear. Plenty of mid tier raid items are affordable for casual players, and are still better than anything you are going to get outside of raiding.

My Shaman mostly has mid tier raid gear, and it's still a lot better overall than the alternative non-raid gear.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

10/10

If you're over 10% lifetime RA you're a fucking loser, period.

[cd288]

On the other side of the coin you could just ask the group if they need one more while you’re porting them

I pointed you toward a good guild on blue in kittens so if you ever decide to switch again and are willing to level to level 15 (I think that’s the minimum level for a new member) they are always a great option for a solid community that does multiple events during the week for high level chars