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I'd caution that anecdotal writings of being summoned, could be just idiots confusing or conflating the phase proc nonsense.
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The most I have in a single DN session is 8 kills in 1 log file. I wouldn't exactly call that conclusive, but its certainly curious... One may assume the main tank got phased somewhere in the 34 fights and if spider was high enough level would have immediately been summoned back (although rumor has it they couldn't phase pets). This exchange is quite curious: [Wed Jan 23 23:10:32 2002] Daarksun shouts, '-- a phase spider -- is incoming!' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:32 2002] Daarksun tells the group, '-- a phase spider -- is incoming!' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:35 2002] You told Zeophyle, 'dunno... never been in' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bites Tenril for 157 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bites Tenril for 157 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] Tenril fades away. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bashes Tenril for 57 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Daarksun begins to cast a spell. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion shouts, 'assing daarksun' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 28 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 27 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider doubles over in pain. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 157 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 123 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] Daarksun fades away. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion slashes a phase spider for 11 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion slashes a phase spider for 18 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 12 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 20 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion kicks a phase spider for 5 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 33 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 33 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] A phase spider was pierced by thorns. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] A phase spider bites Keirith for 157 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Zeophyle tells you, 'well time to find out' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:42 2002] You told Zeophyle, 'ask in OOC or shout for help getting though' [Wed Jan 23 23:10:43 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 140 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:43 2002] Daarksun fades away. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 59 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 49 points of damage. [Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 50 points of damage.[/QUOTE] I show there were some phase spider bites for 151, 153, 155, 157 for max hits in a log file, that is at least a 4 level range. The fact that we see a 157 hit phase someone away yet not receive immediate summon message seems more like they shouldn't summon? Someone mentioned having a live character to test DN spiders, if the level 51 spiders still exist there it would be best to agro the higher level ones and see if they summon after giving damage. As you mention, perhaps phasing was misrepresented as summoning. It would 'make sense' that they wouldn't summon given the phase mechanic as it would eliminate a lot of the danger associated with phasing if you were immediately summoned back. But as we know, not everything "makes sense" in classic EQ.
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we have contradictory statement but hey could be a nerf/update in between 2001 to 2002 and i am just trying to keep DN swarm alive, keeping bards there keep them away from other places at least. afterall i believe blue is ready for some custom updates [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||||
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That would presumably corroborate stated range of level 47-51 if we take the in era comments as accurate. This full range was documented in January 2002 with fade messages present on main tanks during a fight. I also took a closer look at the kill data, I have probably more like 100 kills parsed in the logs, the 'slain' message isn't always visible (out of range?) but the "a phase spider's corpse is motionless, trapped in this reality. " often is visible where the slain message isn't. I'm going to trust the logs as most accurate and assume the phase spider had some form of exception where they did not summon... or if they could, they may have had some weird mechanic where they wouldn't summon if they proc their shadow step on you (put summon timer on cooldown?) but could summon if you damage them then run to zone (would need to be proven on live if these things still exist). Can ignore the gate messages I listed earlier in thread, seems later on they removed the phasing of players and added some weird spider gate mechanic. I still maintain that: -agro range should be increased -run speed should be 'run speed 3' equivalent (slightly slower than jboots) -should be highly resistant to movement speed decrease if not already (think I only saw 5 snares land in logs), there is anecdotal evidence mentioning this
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Yeah I’m pretty well in the camp of “being summoned” is incorrect nomenclature being used by people in these evidence posts. They got punted away, wrote on allakhazam about it and short of having any other reference point except plane of fear where this mechanic exists, they just write summoned.
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Sorry, there is no way these dudes summon. The only 'evidence' of this are three posts from people who are clearly newbies and in all likelihood confusing mechanics of the game they are unfamiliar with or only recently became familiar with and are accordingly attributing it to everything that moves you involuntarily.
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sorry boys, rygar's in-era logs are really the closest we have to evidence. these are just newbie anecdotal accounts. i would expect summoning to be removed with the next patch that hits in a year from now. hopefully by that time devs can muster an anticheat that detects symmetric or automatic input rather than the current approach of...nothing. power blocs on blue all populated with bots leveled with cheated xp for the last 6 years. unfortunate. Quote:
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Probably best just to revert the change. You have bards swarming shit like velks entrance ruining it for grouping players.
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Keep the change for sure, fuck bards. Need to remove the entire class from p99 to be honest, but man what a terrible decision to make this change based on that garbage level of evidence. | |||
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