How are Shamans without the expensive spells and items?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the consensus on innate regen vs. frontal stun immunity?

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No. Please God No.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the consensus on innate regen vs. frontal stun immunity?

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Poor alternatives to a miniskirt and furry hat.

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the consensus on innate regen vs. frontal stun immunity?

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I'll take the bait.

Let me preface that my shaman is an Ogre.

FSI is really only helpful late game, but can't be substituted with any item.

Regen really starts getting good levels 50+. Levels 50-60 are going to be most of your playtime, even though it's only 10 levels.

Most Shamans will be getting their Epic, JBB, Fungi(s), Late game spells like Bane before they have a chance at getting Torpor (which 'negates' regen).

All Shamans have their perks.

Play what you want.

But Trolls make me sick.

Greasy diaper boys. Disgusting.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Poor alternatives to a miniskirt and furry hat.

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Greasy diaper boys.

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[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the consensus on innate regen vs. frontal stun immunity?

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You're opening a big ole can of worms if DSM sees this, but the unbiased truth of the matter is as follows:

If you're into soloing big, dangerous targets then FSI reigns supreme.

Innate regen is better for every other situation / scenario / leveling / etc.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're opening a big ole can of worms if DSM sees this, but the unbiased truth of the matter is as follows:

If you're into soloing big, dangerous targets then FSI reigns supreme.

Innate regen is better for every other situation / scenario / leveling / etc.

While accurate, you're overstating the case. Neither power really matters much, and my Barbarian Shaman (with neither) can still solo everything an Ogre or Troll can just fine.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're opening a big ole can of worms if DSM sees this, but the unbiased truth of the matter is as follows:

If you're into soloing big, dangerous targets then FSI reigns supreme.

Innate regen is better for every other situation / scenario / leveling / etc.

While accurate, you're overstating the case with language like "reigns supreme". Neither power really matters much, and my Barbarian Shaman with neither can still solo everything an Ogre can just fine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're into soloing big, dangerous targets then FSI reigns supreme.

Exactly. Once you get Torpor, that is when you solo big, dangerous targets. This is why FSI is the best end-game racial (post-Torpor).

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Innate regen is better for every other situation / scenario / leveling / etc.

"Every other situation/secnario" is very vague, but pre-Torpor (leveling) you are 100% correct. Regen is the best racial until you get Torpor (pre-Torpor).

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're opening a big ole can of worms if DSM sees this, but the unbiased truth of the matter is as follows:

Not sure why there is any can of worms or bias if the unbiased truth is what I have been saying the entire time. It sounds like you agree with me.

The arguments usually occur with the few people on these forums who believe regen has some mystic power. It's easy to math out exactly how much regen helps you, but a few people don't believe it for some reason. That is why they think it's going to be better than FSI in all scenarios, even soloing big targets.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're opening a big ole can of worms if DSM sees this, but the unbiased truth of the matter is as follows:

If you're into soloing big, dangerous targets then FSI reigns supreme.

Innate regen is better for every other situation / scenario / leveling / etc.

A joke, I know we'll and good the FSI/regen debate is a heated subject as old as time!

Regen is king for me, a filthy casual, who will probably never hit 60 on my shaman and definitely won't acquire torpor. I know Torps has dropped in half price wise as of late (on blue) but that's still 50-60k I've not the will power to farm.

It sadly makes more sense for someone like me who plays a few hours a day solo (off peak) to play a class that doesn't require 100k+ just for spells, heck I could probably level an enchanter 1-60 then farm some decent ticket drops to fund a shaman way faster than capping shaman and slowly kill guards for 6 months.

[Crede]

FSI isn’t what it used to be when every mob bash was a stun. Do you want an occasional stun resist or a constant regen advantage that never goes away and maybe a snare clicky? Despite what people try to tell you there is no correct answer(hence the endless debates) so it really comes down to personal preference.

If I were to make a new shaman today it would probably be iksar for regen, size, best resists, and robe fashion. The CT undead fear clicky can also come in handy on iksar/troll.