I don't remember monks being able to tank 20+ years ago.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are terrible on EQ Mac what are you talking about?

The two facts are not mutually exclusive. We can get calculations from EQ Mac data that make any class more powerful here, even if overall that class was less powerful on the server.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

Please limit your whining about Enchanters to Enchanter related threads. This thread is about Monks

[Croco]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before..

Monks got nerfed HARD in Luclin. Not really sure what you're talking about here. High end monks with raid gear didn't feel it as much as lesser geared lower level monks but all monks got hit.

[Olean]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks got nerfed HARD in Luclin. Not really sure what you're talking about here. High end monks with raid gear didn't feel it as much as lesser geared lower level monks but all monks got hit.

This nerf is why i rolled a rogue on live and never looked back. My live monk is still 60 with hot/ToV gear.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WokeCat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not actually calling for any nerfs though. I just mained the class, and it's something I wondered if other people noticed. When I first played P99, I thought it was identical to original EverQuest, I had no idea that there were differences between it and the original until years after I had been playing it. And I remember thinking "dang, I didn't know Monks could tank this well" and wondered why I spent so much time searching for tanks for my groups instead of just doing it myself 20+ years ago.

But then as I become more familiar with the community, and read the forums and reddit more, and even talk to people on TLP, there's a lot of people pointing out that there are a lot of differences between the original version of the game and P99, it makes me wonder if Monks on P99 are just way tankier than they used to be?

I genuinely remember retiring my Monk for my Rogue because I felt like they were both just DPS classes and that he Rogue dealt better DPS, but on P99, it's very easy to see why someone would play a Monk over a Rogue. I didn't feel like the advantage Monks had over Rogues was that significant back in the day; it just felt like they were squishy DPS who had Mend and FD, which made them safer to play in most situations.

Monks, especially Iksar, can tank basically all general group content until like level 40 if decently equipped. Maybe even past level 40 without being twinked but I am not sure. 50s they obviously get more squishy if not geared, but I’ve seen a geared level 60 monk tank basically every single level 50 dungeon out there. Not the most ideal tank but they were able to do it.

[magnetaress]

Basically

[Encroaching Death]

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[unsunghero]

Is this the first time someone has mentioned on these forums a class being too strong/OP from classic that actually isn’t enchanters?

Wow, historic moment, and I was here

[magnetaress]

rogues where a bit too strong too butt they where innappropriately nerfed in some ways and buffed in others idk what else to say

wizards are weaker than they should be

and necros feel pretty good a bit week in the lower lvls but it sorts itself out (mana is probably wrong on here too)

definately resists are still NOT right

[WokeCat]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rogues where a bit too strong too butt they where innappropriately nerfed in some ways and buffed in others idk what else to say

wizards are weaker than they should be

and necros feel pretty good a bit week in the lower lvls but it sorts itself out (mana is probably wrong on here too)

definately resists are still NOT right

What are the differences you notice between Rogues? It's what I mained 20+ years ago, so I would be curious. I haven't actually played one on P99. I do feel like Monks out-damaging Rogues or dealing equal damage as Rogues is not accurate, lol.

I also remember Wizards being a big deal back in the day, but IDK how good they actually were? I just remember being a kid and reading about how much damage Ice Comet did and being shocked by it. I also think the first character on the news because it sold for big $$$ on ebay was a Wizard, if I recall? I could probably look up the old article, but I remember my parents just assuming that since I played the game that I could start making thousands of dollars and it's like dawg, it's not that easy. Especially when y'all make me go to bed at 9 o clock, and I gotta go to school and crap.