Game Mechanics: A Phase Spider in DN should be able to summon

[Rygar]

So I'll admit, I didn't happen to come across any 'summon messages' from phase spiders in the log files I collected over the years, but have some flavor text that i'm not completely sure is in P99 or not.

I'll do a better search later tonight, can parse the entire log file directory I have for any mobs that summon.

[Wed Jan 23 23:09:59 2002] a phase spider's corpse is motionless, trapped in this reality. '

[Wed Jan 23 23:14:55 2002] a phase spider feeds. '

[Sat Apr 05 17:08:34 2003] an out of phase spider phases in!

[Sat Apr 05 17:09:14 2003] a phase spider gnashes its translucent mandibles.

[Thu Apr 24 12:21:44 2003] a phase spider begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 24 12:21:44 2003] a phase spider Gates.

[Tue May 27 20:54:17 2003] a phase spider has been awakened by Bumamgar.

[Mon Jul 21 19:45:46 2003] a phase spider feeds.
[Mon Jul 21 19:45:46 2003] Ailuvian has been slain by a phase spider!

[bobjonesp99]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'll admit, I didn't happen to come across any 'summon messages' from phase spiders in the log files I collected over the years, but have some flavor text that i'm not completely sure is in P99 or not.

I'll do a better search later tonight, can parse the entire log file directory I have for any mobs that summon.

those are interesting and probably were in era... but based on the timestamps it wont be considered as evidence for an in-era update methinks.

[Solist]

I'd caution that anecdotal writings of being summoned, could be just idiots confusing or conflating the phase proc nonsense.

But also fuck bards, make them all summon. Add summmons to every other bard swarm zone too.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd caution that anecdotal writings of being summoned, could be just idiots confusing or conflating the phase proc nonsense.

But also fuck bards, make them all summon. Add summmons to every other bard swarm zone too.

I did a full analysis on the logs I have, despite nearly 100 various log files, I only have 34 documented Phase Spider kills.

The most I have in a single DN session is 8 kills in 1 log file. I wouldn't exactly call that conclusive, but its certainly curious... One may assume the main tank got phased somewhere in the 34 fights and if spider was high enough level would have immediately been summoned back (although rumor has it they couldn't phase pets).

This exchange is quite curious:
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:32 2002] Daarksun shouts, '-- a phase spider -- is incoming!'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:32 2002] Daarksun tells the group, '-- a phase spider -- is incoming!'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:35 2002] You told Zeophyle, 'dunno... never been in'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bites Tenril for 157 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bites Tenril for 157 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] Tenril fades away.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:37 2002] A phase spider bashes Tenril for 57 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Daarksun begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion shouts, 'assing daarksun'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 28 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:38 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 27 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider doubles over in pain.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 157 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 123 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:39 2002] Daarksun fades away.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion slashes a phase spider for 11 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion slashes a phase spider for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 12 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:40 2002] Karrion kicks a phase spider for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 33 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Karrion pierces a phase spider for 33 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] A phase spider was pierced by thorns.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] A phase spider bites Keirith for 157 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:41 2002] Zeophyle tells you, 'well time to find out'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:42 2002] You told Zeophyle, 'ask in OOC or shout for help getting though'
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:43 2002] A phase spider bites Daarksun for 140 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:43 2002] Daarksun fades away.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 59 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 49 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 23 23:10:44 2002] Hufflepuff slashes a phase spider for 50 points of damage.[/QUOTE]

I show there were some phase spider bites for 151, 153, 155, 157 for max hits in a log file, that is at least a 4 level range. The fact that we see a 157 hit phase someone away yet not receive immediate summon message seems more like they shouldn't summon?

Someone mentioned having a live character to test DN spiders, if the level 51 spiders still exist there it would be best to agro the higher level ones and see if they summon after giving damage.

As you mention, perhaps phasing was misrepresented as summoning. It would 'make sense' that they wouldn't summon given the phase mechanic as it would eliminate a lot of the danger associated with phasing if you were immediately summoned back.

But as we know, not everything "makes sense" in classic EQ.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I show there were some phase spider bites for 151, 153, 155, 157 for max hits in a log file, that is at least a 4 level range.

I revised some of the parsing I did, turns out I identified at least 5 different max hits: 149, 151, 153, 155, 157.

That would presumably corroborate stated range of level 47-51 if we take the in era comments as accurate.

This full range was documented in January 2002 with fade messages present on main tanks during a fight.

I also took a closer look at the kill data, I have probably more like 100 kills parsed in the logs, the 'slain' message isn't always visible (out of range?) but the "a phase spider's corpse is motionless, trapped in this reality. " often is visible where the slain message isn't.

I'm going to trust the logs as most accurate and assume the phase spider had some form of exception where they did not summon... or if they could, they may have had some weird mechanic where they wouldn't summon if they proc their shadow step on you (put summon timer on cooldown?) but could summon if you damage them then run to zone (would need to be proven on live if these things still exist).

Can ignore the gate messages I listed earlier in thread, seems later on they removed the phasing of players and added some weird spider gate mechanic.

I still maintain that:
-agro range should be increased
-run speed should be 'run speed 3' equivalent (slightly slower than jboots)
-should be highly resistant to movement speed decrease if not already (think I only saw 5 snares land in logs), there is anecdotal evidence mentioning this

[Ennewi]

https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3881.html

Scirocco
07-31-2001, 12:53 PM

Upper Floor MOBs
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Aside from the constructs you may trigger, you will see a ton of Phase Spiders on the upper floor. These are levels 49-52, and randomly teleport your group members a short distance away. This is bad if they land on traps. We dispatched 'em fairly quickly, though. They sometimes drop a Phase Spider Carapace (very nice piece of armor), or more frequenly, Phase Spider Blood (one charge of Improved Invisibility).

Scirocco
07-31-2001, 01:02 PM

Couple of points to add (have spent 50-100 hours hunting in DN)

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Many of the spiders and rats are immune to snare and root (based on MoB lvl) rats will run so be ready to nuke hard at 1/4 life or there abouts. The bigger problem with this are the big snakes, goos, and bats they seem to run faster and sooner.

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Beowolfe
Luclin

https://web.archive.org/web/20171201...eq/t-3868.html

L1nd4r4
04-16-2002, 04:10 AM

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I haven't fought IBs in a while but when I did snaring them had absolutly no effect on movement. Did this get changed when they fixed phase spiders and vellium hounds?

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd caution that anecdotal writings of being summoned, could be just idiots confusing or conflating the phase proc nonsense.

But also fuck bards, make them all summon. Add summmons to every other bard swarm zone too.

Again... None of the 'evidence' says summons, it's very obvious this is a nomenclature confusion by newbs.

Keep the change for sure, fuck bards. Need to remove the entire class from p99 to be honest, but man what a terrible decision to make this change based on that garbage level of evidence.

[Rygar]

Chill dude, fix was in prior to log analysis, could be reverted. Slinging mud isn't going to help.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chill dude, fix was in prior to log analysis, could be reverted. Slinging mud isn't going to help.

From What I understand, P99 Devs do not consider log files as reliable evidence. The log files can be edited. There's no way to verify that those logs were not edited at some point. Only screenshots and posted information on websites from in era are considered reliable.

[Rygar]

They have quite literally made changes based off reliable log files