How was /list received on Green?

[Fammaden]

Yeah one thing I think we could all agree on is those existing lists for VP key items, especially Verix, should be deleted at this stage.

[magnetaress]

Worst idea ever.

[Castle2.0]

A: "People cheated."
B: "Proof?"
A: "My feeling of jealousy because I was unable to get my list item, but others did."

This ^

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A: "People cheated."
B: "Proof?"
A: "My feeling of jealousy because I was unable to get my list item, but others did."

This ^

The only list camp I did was the beads camp, and I ended up pulling holgresh outside the cave for 22+ hours straight because I was often the only one with track in the group, so I did it legit... but don't act like there's no proof out there that tools were developed to cheat /list. One can easily be found by googling terms you would expect to have to google.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A: "People cheated."
B: "Proof?"
A: "My feeling of jealousy because I was unable to get my list item, but others did."

This ^

This person definitely didn't run a python app with an imaging library that automated inputs after OCRing the dialog or anything.

It's definitely not published out on the internet or anything.

Definitely not! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obvious cheaters aside, the /list system was the only reason I was able to acquire almost every campable legacy item I wanted to get.

The greatest problems in my opinion aren't with the list system, it's with drop rates. Realizing that being even 6th in a normal group to camp a manastone might take you 24+ hours to get your drop makes you realize how unhealthy the game's drop rates are when played modern day by players who know how valuable the items are.

If p99 wanted to re-create the classic experience they would massively increase drop rates, because nobody was doing these camps for 60 hours back in classic, and for people who didn't account share (like me), having to stay up for 30+ hours at a time for a video game is just asking for a premature IRL death on their hands.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This person definitely didn't run a python app with an imaging library that automated inputs after OCRing the dialog or anything.

It's definitely not published out on the internet or anything.

Definitely not! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ Yup. It’s fucked but I am glad it’s out in the open so maybe it can be circumvented if there’s a next time around.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A: "People cheated."
B: "Proof?"
A: "My feeling of jealousy because I was unable to get my list item, but others did."

This ^

I’ve seen an actual video of it.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve seen an actual video of it.

link or no happen

[Fammaden]

Well they already had to change beads to magic because of pickpocketing, might as well make MS lore and no drop also.

[loramin]

Just want to reiterate that switching to randomness solves nearly everything people complain about.

Want to take a break and not sit there for 24+ hours? Great: take your break, and when you come back you have just as much random chance as when you left.

Are people cheating list afk checks? Well, even if they aren't, everyone hated afk checks ... but in a random system, there are no afk checks. Your "afk check" is that you could win the roll, but if you're afk and don't kill the mob in X minutes, there's another roll and you lose your chance.

Is some low-level sitting in the manstone list? Great! If they win the random roll, they have X minutes to kill the mob ... and then if they can't, there's another random roll. Everyone else is only inconvenienced X minutes, and pretty soon people will learn there's no point in having a low-level sit-in line.

Same deal for beads camp: you can sit there and not help, but then there won't be any random rolls and you'll be sitting a long time. Everyone at the camp has a stake in clearing the holgresh, because everyone has a chance of winning the random roll.

Now, I'm not against making these items lore, and obviously the Holgresh /list boundaries could use some improvement, but overall I think the vast majority of /list issues would be solved with a random system.