A lack of consequences because leaders and property owners are far out of reach.....

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah. Putting the car in reverse was definitely not Lawful Neutral enough for that cop.

Tbf San Antonio is kinda like Jersey Shore in that gangster sitcom.

Officer was uniformed with cam on too. He probably followed procedure. Cars are lethal weapons.

(I'm not saying it was right). But probably legal.

It's really hard to be Chaotic Neutral when expectations are Lawful Evil.

Ya, 100% right, a car is a lethal weapon and as soon as you drive your vehicle towards a police officer who is then in danger of being run over they have the legal right to shoot you through your front window. The only reason I say this is because I’ve seen it happen, and the cop not be in trouble for it. The perp has essentially demonstrated then they are willing to run over a pedestrian in an attempt to get away and are therefore an immediate danger to the officer and the community

However, this officer was fired and the dep’t said he did not act in accordance to training. Meaning that based on the angle of the car, it’s speed, and his ability to move, he was not in danger of being run over. So he effed up, as big as someone can eff up, it appears

[unsunghero]

Myself at his age had a cop make a motion to shoot me. I had been pulled over for a completely frivolous reason (claimed my truck matched description of one that was reported stolen). Asked me where I was going and I said to play racquetball and I reached for a racquet handle sticking up from the back seat

The officer immediately put his hand on his gun and yelled for me to put my hands on the wheel. I did without thinking. I think I was about 17-18 years old, I remember because it was the truck my dad bought me for my first vehicle

Had I ignored the command, I might have been dead. You. Listen. To. Police. And almost always, you will live. I knew this as a kid, and if I ever had a kid I’ll make damned sure they understand it too. Whether they choose to follow, I can’t control

[Basanos]

Sure are a lot of people who got killed by police despite doing precisely what they were told

That's a pretty broad "almost"

Kind of seems like back-handed victim blaming, unless you're implying there is a genetic trait present in Americans that causes them not to listen to police

Because our cops sure as hell do kill a shitload of people

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure are a lot of people who got killed by police despite doing precisely what they were told

That's a pretty broad "almost"

Kind of seems like back-handed victim blaming, unless you're implying there is a genetic trait present in Americans that causes them not to listen to police

Because our cops sure as hell do kill a shitload of people

Didn't you already get what you want? The cop was fired.

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't you already get what you want? The cop was fired.

I don't just want cops to be fired, dude. I'd rather see people like this imprisoned for the murderers they are.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't just want cops to be fired, dude. I'd rather see people like this imprisoned for the murderers they are.

Sure but also give them a humanitarian release like with the others.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure are a lot of people who got killed by police despite doing precisely what they were told

I feel like that is an exaggeration

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kind of seems like back-handed victim blaming, unless you're implying there is a genetic trait present in Americans that causes them not to listen to police

Our citizens are not lawful nor obedient enough. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] They are unfortunately lawful and obedient only:
*when it suits them
*when there's profit
*when it protects them from other citizens
*when their jobs are at stake

In all other instances they act like total animals. Are not well trained and disciplined and are a disorderly lot who are more prone to kill themselves and eachother than make solid sound choices

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because our cops sure as hell do kill a shitload of people

Way less than alcohol pollution STDs and drugs and cars and we allow them to exist so give the cops a break

--- also plz define a "shit load" --- is that there a standard scientific measurement of a shitload somewhewere?


---- also alll of this said i'm absolutely terrified of our fascism and super sad by it because it's not fascism for all it's fascism for some. It is also absolutely idiotic fascism about the dumbest shit

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abolish public sector unions, should help with the bad cop issue.

How about just police unions, the teachers didn't do squat

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Way less than alcohol pollution STDs and drugs and cars and we allow them to exist so give the cops a break

--- also plz define a "shit load" --- is that there a standard scientific measurement of a shitload somewhewere?

No, just entirely too many. Consistently the only developed country in the top ten by number of police shootings, all the other nine are 'developing'. When adjusted for shootings by ten million people, the USA is at number 33, which is the highest number for any 'developed' country.

That's without even looking at the disproportionate number of those killed being black males. This kid survived and doesn't seem to be black, so yay for being an outlier, I guess.

The other things that kill large numbers of people, pollution, drugs, cars... different discussion. Also bad news in a lot of those sectors.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like that is an exaggeration

It is

There are about a thousand police shootings in a year. Of those 1000, all but maybe 10 were legal, meaning the person was an immediate threat to police, a large portion of those shootings involved people who had already shot at police or were in the process of shooting at them

Of those 10ish non-legal shootings, only about 1-2 tend to be people who were following orders, the rest were either resisting or running but not a threat to warrant lethal force so it’s still an illegal shooting

I remember some examples, it’s hard not to because mainstream media saturates the stories unlike police ambushes where cops die, but cops are supposed to die so that’s not considered news-worthy and it goes against the narrative by making us sympathetic to cops

There was a white guy in az shot while following police orders crawling to police, and a black guy shot while laying on the ground with his hands in the air as instructed by police. Those are the only 2 I can recall, maybe a handful more that Rob could find if he combed the internet. I just recalled those 2 off the top of my head

So a tiny % of police shootings which are an insanely tiny % of the millions of police interactions in a year

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is

There are about a thousand police shootings in a year. Of those 1000, all but maybe 10 were legal, meaning the person was an immediate threat to police, a large portion of those shootings involved people who had already shot at police or were in the process of shooting at them

Of those 10ish non-legal shootings, only about 1-2 tend to be people who were following orders, the rest were either resisting or running but not a threat to warrant lethal force so it’s still an illegal shooting

I remember some examples, it’s hard not to because mainstream media saturates the stories unlike police ambushes where cops die, but cops are supposed to die so that’s not considered news-worthy and it goes against the narrative by making us sympathetic to cops

There was a white guy in az shot while following police orders crawling to police, and a black guy shot while laying on the ground with his hands in the air as instructed by police. Those are the only 2 I can recall, maybe a handful more that Rob could find if he combed the internet. I just recalled those 2 off the top of my head

So a tiny % of police shootings which are an insanely tiny % of the millions of police interactions in a year

The legitimately illegal shootings are the motte and police shootings as a whole are the bailey.

@Ooloo