I read the PNPs outdoor camp guideline but still...

[PatChapp]

For sure, I like to clear sol a gobbies ok my mage when I have nothing more interesting to do.
You can do it and not be a dick tho,easy enough to leave an area alone.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For sure, I like to clear sol a gobbies ok my mage when I have nothing more interesting to do.
You can do it and not be a dick tho,easy enough to leave an area alone.

This is where I learned. Freshie new to the server and soon after I zoned into Sol B (or A, I forget which is the lower level one) I would get a tell from a lev 50+ mage already there saying he was farming them for money and asked what side I wanted for exp. If another group had that side then when I zoned in he would simply leave

So I assumed this was standard procedure and did the same once I was too high level to get exp there anymore. I would usually just leave as soon as lowbies started moving in for exp

There’s lots of other places to farm vendor trash. If everyone was a dick like the person the OP is describing than many zones would remain unplayable for lowbies almost permanently (or at least until weird off hours like 3am)

It’s like littering. It’s no big deal if only a single asshole does it, but if it ever gets close to mainstream your town now looks like a shithole. So shame litterbugs

[acrostoa]

I was there first for an hour or so before Selush showed up so no, they weren't farming greens for plat.

The first night that this happened, it was just me in the zone until he logged in. I got tired of it so I logged out.

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

It's a clear pattern of harassment. The first night, he could have hunted anywhere else. The second day, he could have taken either the bank guards or the lowbie palace guards, or the red palace guards in either the left or right wing of palace where my friend wasnt, or Selush could have went and killed SK Guild camp. He ignored everyting except where I wasn't and where my friend wasn't. I wasn't the only one he did this to but I am the one he continues to harass.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you quadded Wyverns for a whole level you would make more money than killing OOT sisters or Rivervale guards. The gems will drop enough that you will make solid plat.

True. I guess it's the perception of things. The sisters/guards feel like more money since it's more consistent, but the wyverns do drop 50-400p gems every so often, just not all the time.

Originally Posted by acrostoa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

Man. You know where else the "sky is visible"? Skyfire Mountains. Someone needs to drop him there via wizard teleport.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by acrostoa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was there first for an hour or so before Selush showed up so no, they weren't farming greens for plat.

The first night that this happened, it was just me in the zone until he logged in. I got tired of it so I logged out.

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

It's a clear pattern of harassment. The first night, he could have hunted anywhere else. The second day, he could have taken either the bank guards or the lowbie palace guards, or the red palace guards in either the left or right wing of palace where my friend wasnt, or Selush could have went and killed SK Guild camp. He ignored everyting except where I wasn't and where my friend wasn't. I wasn't the only one he did this to but I am the one he continues to harass.

You’re 100% right. Do not delete your petition. If he keeps threatening you there are people with disposable accounts on green who’d be happy to return the griefing favor on him [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tunabros]

rules are rules, he did nothing wrong but be an asshole

[magnetaress]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

Solve the problem with a server that'd give the OP's bully even more avenues to grief and torment him?

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Solve the problem with a server that'd give the OP's bully even more avenues to grief and torment him?

How so? Op and Ops bully are on a much more level playing field without moderators calling the shots. Then it comes down to socially engineering ur fellow players OR playing better (picking a better class, actually getting gud, like using clickies). Instead of mod manipulation. MMOs are supposed to be about the former (social engineering) not the latter (exploitation of the rules, manipulation of the developer or moderators).

The truth is. Only the sick are good at the latter. The good are good at the former. So ppl who actually have fun socializing in constructive and creative ways don't actually play on blue or green.

Hope this helps.

[acrostoa]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

I have a career where I get to play a capitalist cutthroat who maintains compliance through fear of retribution. Know what I don't want to do in my off time? The same thing but unpaid.

I've enjoyed playing on this PNP server where I can be kind, help others out, and not be potentially screwed by others at any given moment. If some poopsockers want to experience that, they can go play on a nonPNP red server.

One other thing, your definition of what an MMO is, is just that, your definition. Not THE definition and certainly not my definition.

Thanks for sharing your perspective though.