Epics and their relative powers

[Ooloo]

Soloing like ten seafuries at a time (only if others aren't around, don't be a dick!) with a sham epic was super fun on blue back when dot ticks were reported, it was so easy to time the casting just right and the only mana you'd spend was on root, and the epic dot has no DD component so it won't break root like normal sham dots can.

Those were the days of double ruby crown drops too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] sigh. All the plats.

[Tnair]

tbh as a rogue playing for fun and exploration, travelers boots were more impactful than my epic. Epic was a satisfying acquisition that did make me much stronger in groups... but I was already in groups and it's not like it made the whole group able to do better content or anything. Being able to bow-kite and outrun bad pulls was a bigger change

Ragebringer: still not able to reliably solo giants
Travelers boots and a backpack of arrows: can solo giants

Sow boots are the real epic

[Zuranthium]

What a dumb take. It's a waste of time trying to solo giants by bow kiting and you can already carry around SoW pots to use when SoW isn't available from a caster. The epic will definitely allow a Rogue to do better content (assuming they weren't already twinked with great weapons + haste item).

Best epics though: Cleric, Bard, Mage

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk is gamechanging. Just wearing it changes fists from 14/27 dmg/dly to 9/16 dmg/dly.

Changing fists to 9/16 is actually a damage nerf, because you should be using a 2-hand weapon and clicking it on off/on to get fist offhand attacks between the primary attack swings. The delay of the offhand doesn't matter because you're just getting 1 round in anyway.

When buffed with another Haste spell + Ranger "Strength of Nature" (which does not stack with the Monk epic buff), a Monk should not be wearing their epic to get the best DPS possible, because it is decreasing the damage of their offhand attacks.

[Ennewi]

need a new thread asking what's the most important/defining item for each class

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a dumb take. It's a waste of time trying to solo giants by bow kiting and you can already carry around SoW pots to use when SoW isn't available from a caster. The epic will definitely allow a Rogue to do better content (assuming they weren't already twinked with great weapons + haste item).

He's actually spot on though. Ragebringer doesn't allow you to do better content. And he's right, at 60 you can't go toe to toe with a Hill Giant. It barely makes a difference. It might get you invited into more groups maybe, but it's not like people sit there analyzing your gear when they need a rogue. Most people end up ditching their epic for something better.

I'd rather have JBoots than the Rogue Epic. Better for survivability, better QoL, and if you want to bow kite, you can. SoW pots are too expensive for a poor Rogue. Pick Pocket isn't that lucrative.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ragebringer doesn't allow you to do better content.

LOL. Try duoing and see the things you're able to kill with some average weapon and FBSS, rather than the epic. Try doing a raid with as little people as possible and see if you'll be able to take down bosses with average equipped Rogues vs epic Rogues. Not to mention the speed at which things are killed in general. Time is money. When you are killing more, you are "doing better content".

On a server that's been sitting in Velious for ages and has a shit ton of twink items sitting around and years of high end item drops, the Rogue epic becomes less valuable, sure. But within the actual game timeline, it is a huge power increase that enables content to be killed better.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Enchanter epic was unsolved and I already had VoG.


The epic was a gut punch. Zero cc utility for the enchanter epic. Great. The epic that enchanters wanted but did not get did not come out till PoP. As a further slap, it was by that time not nearly as useful since the slow was now obsolete. This should have been the enchanter epic. Serpent of "vindication" -- two expansions too late:


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[ithaqua]

Neither of the slowsticks were obsolete in pop, clicky is even better then the spells. They were still useful long after the newer slows with - resist mods thanks to the much longer durations.
Enc epic isn’t gamechanging but a great convenience item, epic2 was real nice though!

[gradyk]

Ranger epic is severely underrated especially for soloing 50-60. So much fun. Slow +DoT on the earthcaller and your able to face tank.

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by gradyk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger epic is severely underrated especially for soloing 50-60. So much fun. Slow +DoT on the earthcaller and your able to face tank.

I was curious about the performance of these.

What's the difficulty of getting both? Or do people usually only get one?