Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The evidence so far for people who want to learn

Who the fuck do you think is actually reading this besides you and the people that have been trying to talk sense into you for 80+ pages? Do you REALLY think someone is coming here and reading 80 pages and going "Ya know this DSM guys math is really good and totally changed my mind". Jesus fucking christ my guy. It's starting to get sad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who the fuck do you think is actually reading this besides you and the people that have been trying to talk sense into you for 80+ pages? Do you REALLY think someone is coming here and reading 80 pages and going "Ya know this DSM guys math is really good and totally changed my mind". Jesus fucking christ my guy. It's starting to get sad.

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol. You can stop posting any time[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It's never too late to admit you are wrong. Nobody will think less of you.

The real data, for people who want to learn:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol.

Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're appalled at [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


P.S. Nobody is reading it except you and the "trolls" arguing with you. Sorry to break the bad news.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're appalled at [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


P.S. Nobody is reading it except you and the "trolls" arguing with you. Sorry to break the bad news.

Great. You can stop posting then[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You will save face if you do, since the last like 50 posts of yours are just insults and trolls lol. At least 1/4 of your posts are completely worthless and just make you look like an asshole.

For people who want to learn, here is the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol. You can stop posting any time[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you presume to assume how others feel about PlsNoBan (or any other poster's) behavior?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's never too late to admit you are wrong. Nobody will think less of you.

It's never too late to parse your Shaman doing DPS in a high-level, fast-killing group in order to compare parses with a friendly Mage player Troxx, if you're feeling like you'd rather not puss out and concede. A handful of folks might even think more highly of you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real data, for people who want to learn:

I'm not sure whether anybody wants or needs to learn how to root rot 1-X mobs on their Shaman from you (I certainly don't)... but what I am sure of is that the evidence you are providing is not what you were requested to provide, nor even close to it - and no matter how many times you copy and paste the same thing it won't change this fact.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not trying to convince you Troxx. At this point you are throwing a tantrum because you are mad. You are disagreeing because you want to be right, not because you care about the topic at hand, or can prove anything.

Troxx wants to compare DPS of Shaman & Mage performing in a in a fast-paced, high group... and in response you want to present evidence of Root Rotting 1-X mobs and then proceed to claim your data (of your Shaman the wrong environment, doing the wrong activity) is "better". Your data could plausibly be an accurate representation of a Shaman Root-Rotting 1-X mobs, but to state or otherwise imply that such data would be equivalent to (or anything close to) real captured data of high level fast-paced fast-kills group play seems like you arguing from bad faith. Please do not act like this is news to you, this has been pointed out in multiple posts, from multiple people. You refused to participate, thus you conceded. These facts are self-evident.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I will keep providing the facts. You would rather hide the truth than provide evidence or admit defeat.
The evidence so far for people who want to learn:

I'm not sure whether anybody wants or needs to learn how to root rot 1-X mobs on their Shaman from you (I certainly don't)... but what I am sure of is that the evidence you are providing is not what you were requested to provide, nor even close to it - and no matter how many times you copy and paste the same thing it won't change this fact.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Cyxthryth clearly hasn't even looked at the data, since he thinks it is equivalent to root/rotting. There is no root/rotting in the videos or log evidence.

For the people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.

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For people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.

I submit the above Quote as further example of DSM making a false claim, or misunderstanding/misconstruing Troxx's posts. DSM are you arguing from bad faith?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can to it too[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been doing it for pages and pages while calling others trolls.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Please show data of your Shaman in a high level, fast-paced DPS group as has been requested multiple times by multiple people for those of us interested in learning the capabilities of a Shaman in that role/environment.