Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I would like to see the actual parse data. One person said 40-70 and Troxx is saying 80-200 lol. I don't believe that. 40-200 is a pretty big range. I would like to know how you are calculating DPS too, make sure we are doing the same math.

[ezigrelnos]

has no one said 4 enchanter yet do you even take damage like one enchanter no pet and only pulls + does mez?

why even bring the cleric/shaman/mage? can oh shit moments happen with 4 coordinated enchanters?

i mean OP said best so i imagine some nice gaming chairs behind those keyboards

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Just for perspective, here is a raid parse I pulled up from some old logs:

[Mon Apr 29 20:58:14 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'Lady Mirenilla in 370s, 312k @843dps --- Jonwayne 25k @98dps --- Vapos 23k @93dps --- Digler 23k @87dps --- Brooksaw 23k @87dps --- Evulsion 22k @85dps --- Vulroth 22k @84dps --- Playbook 19k @71dps --- Wickett 19k @72dps --- Funz 18k @69dps --- Shaolen 17k @67dps'

There is no way a Mage is at 100 DPS when top geared Rogues are barely hitting 100 DPS. Maybe if you are parsing really low/easy mobs. But then Shamans would parse higher too lol.

Please show your parses and how you are doing them.

Originally Posted by ezigrelnos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

has no one said 4 enchanter yet do you even take damage like one enchanter no pet and only pulls + does mez?

why even bring the cleric/shaman/mage? can oh shit moments happen with 4 coordinated enchanters?

i mean OP said best so i imagine some nice gaming chairs behind those keyboards

The reason why 4 Enchanters wouldn't be great is because more charmed pets = more chance of getting destroyed if bad luck charm breaks occur. While everything is going your way the group would churn through mobs. But you are going to get some deaths/gates too lol.

[ezigrelnos]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason why 4 Enchanters wouldn't be great is because more charmed pets = more chance of getting destroyed if bad luck charm breaks occur.

thats why 1 enchanter has no pets & pulls; coordinated voice chat with team means every other enchanter can stun for the broken pet and even if you get 3 broken pets at once thats 4 enchanter stunning so i dont see how any type of rngesus aggro would not instantly get squashed with the insane kit that is stacked gaming enchanters

while the cler/sham try to heal the non-existent dmg and the mag is just a lack of charm dps

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by ezigrelnos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats why 1 enchanter has no pets & pulls; coordinated voice chat with team means every other enchanter can stun for the broken pet and even if you get 3 broken pets at once thats 4 enchanter stunning so i dont see how any type of rngesus aggro would not instantly get squashed with the insane kit that is stacked gaming enchanters

while the cler/sham try to heal the non-existent dmg and the mag is just a lack of charm dps

Having 3 charm breaks will probably kill your party. Stuns can be resisted, and 3 charmed/hasted pets will melt cloth casters fast. Once one Enchanter dies, you now have an uncharmed pet in camp. This can easily wipe your party.

[Raj]

Originally Posted by ezigrelnos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats why 1 enchanter has no pets & pulls; coordinated voice chat with team means every other enchanter can stun for the broken pet and even if you get 3 broken pets at once thats 4 enchanter stunning so i dont see how any type of rngesus aggro would not instantly get squashed with the insane kit that is stacked gaming enchanters

while the cler/sham try to heal the non-existent dmg and the mag is just a lack of charm dps

A good cleric can stun a broken charm pet pretty fast....cleric stuns are very good too. Never discount the cleric stun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

Why are you using a raid parse when we’re talking group content lol. You’re comparing apples to raw fish. Everyone here knows that high ac raid mobs and giant level gaps have a huge impact on pet dps.

We’re talking groups; not raids.

Mage pet by itself puts out a lot more than 40dps. Have you ever actually parsed a high end mage pet DSM. If not, you’d be shocked.

Unless you’re lazy not chain summoning for a max and lazy not keeping up pet haste… you might see some lower numbers then.

Also don’t take my post out of context. Over 200dps on an all out burn on group content (pet plus nukes) is possible followed by a very long Med break.

My preferred nuke was shock of steel 825dmg, 6 second cast, conjugation spec 275 mana. With an Insta click to negate recast time that’s 137.5 dps potential chain cast. For a harder burn but more mana intensive being conjuration spec the 59 nukes comes out to 146.3 dps chain cast. Add in a max summon pet buffed/hasted and masked and you can crack 200dps on an all out burn factoring in DS.

For routine fights it was pet plus a shock of steel or 2 per fight.

100-120 is what I was capable before pet nerf with pet putting out 60-75 of that dps by itself. Remember though … this was back when the max hit on 60 water pet was like 68. It’s lower now.

I didn’t have to calculate anything. GamParse has a live, real time parse function with a heads up display. It also has a function where you can link a player’s dps and their pets dps. The parser will not pick up damage shield damage unless you, the player doing the parsing are the one with the dmg shield and being hit.

It’s not rocket surgery DSM …

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you using a raid parse when we’re talking group content lol. You’re comparing apples to raw fish. Everyone here knows that high ac raid mobs and giant level gaps have a huge impact on pet dps.

We’re talking groups; not raids.

Mage pet by itself puts out a lot more than 40dps. Have you ever actually parsed a high end mage pet DSM. If not, you’d be shocked.

Unless you’re lazy not chain summoning for a max and lazy not keeping up pet haste… you might see some lower numbers then.

Also don’t take my post out of context. Over 200dps on an all out burn on group content (pet plus nukes) is possible followed by a very long Med break.

My preferred nuke was shock of steel 825dmg, 6 second cast, conjugation spec 275 mana. With an Insta click to negate recast time that’s 137.5 dps potential chain cast. For a harder burn but more mana intensive being conjuration spec the 59 nukes comes out to 146.3 dps chain cast. Add in a max summon pet buffed/hasted and masked and you can crack 200dps on an all out burn factoring in DS.

For routine fights it was pet plus a shock of steel or 2 per fight.

100-120 is what I was capable before pet nerf with pet putting out 60-75 of that dps by itself. Remember though … this was back when the max hit on 60 water pet was like 68. It’s lower now.

I didn’t have to calculate anything. GamParse has a live, real time parse function with a heads up display. It also has a function where you can link a player’s dps and their pets dps. The parser will not pick up damage shield damage unless you, the player doing the parsing are the one with the dmg shield and being hit.

It’s not rocket surgery DSM …

It isn't rocket surgery indeed. But we need to parse the same mob so we can get an accurate comparison. Please post some logs so I can accurately parse my Shaman to the same standard as your parses. I was parsing on WW Dragons, so my DPS is going to be lower than if you are parsing easy 40s mobs.

[Raj]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you using a raid parse when we’re talking group content lol. You’re comparing apples to raw fish. Everyone here knows that high ac raid mobs and giant level gaps have a huge impact on pet dps.

We’re talking groups; not raids.

It’s not rocket surgery DSM …

Lol

[zelld52]

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