Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For sake of my sanity, to clarifying are you arguing shaman > cleric?
I started in trying to justify a sham for the 4th fill. Not the 3rd let alone as a trio.

Cleric is stronger with two charm classes than slow already. It’s the benefit they get for otherwise being horribly boring.

If this was two monks, sure, shaman all day long.

Both Shamans and Clerics work well with Enchanters, as both parties have explained in detail. That is why I said Shaman/Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter on the first page.

In the scenario where you can only pick one, the Shaman is a better choice, because making a level 49 pocket cleric to handle the occasional res and pet CH is easier and faster than making a level 60 Torpor Shaman for something like Vaniki or West Waste Dragons.

Now, I am not sure why people keep saying pocket clerics are not allowed. OP didn't say you can't use them, and they are a common practice on P99. If the idea is you can only use the four main characters and no other character, this would mean you can't use mules either. People are not going to stop using Pocket Clerics or Mules because of this thread.

[Troxx]

Lol reading this thread from the beginning is actually fascinating. DSM advocating for cleric in the group until it became obvious the shaman was going to be excluded for a helpful caster. Not initially claiming pocket clerics until he needed to find a way to have the shaman fill the one job that can’t be replaced: healing.

Also now we have moved on to minimizing the risk of the danger of charm breaks or how “with good play” - competent players won’t really run into this ….

Yet on page 5 we find this gem

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having 3 charm breaks will probably kill your party. Stuns can be resisted, and 3 charmed/hasted pets will melt cloth casters fast. Once one Enchanter dies, you now have an uncharmed pet in camp. This can easily wipe your party.

So … charms are so risky that you wouldn’t want 3 of them with a dedicated set of enchanters and a cleric ready to intervene - god damn we better bring a shaman for back up heals! ….. but are magically now not so risky that a shaman focusing on pulling tanking and torp-tank healing doesn’t have to worry about 2 …. Possibly 3 charms without a cleric at all?

The unexpected turns in this thread have been truly mind boggling. DSM has redefined his stance, outlook, angle of attack … has moved the goalposts so many times … has added the idea of pocket clerics to the mix, etc. It’s hard to keep up. I’m reading from page 1 for shits and giggles …

My how his opinions have all changed with the exception of one thing: ya better bring a shaman!

Lol

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

….. but are magically now not so risky that a shaman focusing on pulling tanking and torp-tank healing doesn’t have to worry about 2 …. Possibly 3 charms without a cleric at all?

Don't forget the 4-6 adds the Shaman is root-rotting parallel to the rest of the group. Hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elizondo]

The video of DSM failing so badly trying to heal enchanters has convinced me enc / enc / cleric / anything but shaman is the way to go

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The video of DSM failing so badly trying to heal enchanters has convinced me enc / enc / cleric / anything but shaman is the way to go

More trolling and no substance. The trolls just band together when they cannot win the debate with substance, logic, and reason.

It just scares people away from the forums and maybe P99.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More trolling and no substance.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#whine a lot
#claim anyone who disagrees is a troll
#make a fool of self
#always thank folks for conceding when no concession was given
#”As you can see” … talk to imaginary readers that are not there
#any class can tank AoW with enough clerics
#warriors solo faster than enchanters
#there is no message for FD
#shamans can dps better than mages
#shamans can protect enchanters on charm breaks as well as clerics
#groups want their shamans root-rotting 4-6 mobs parallel to the group
#baby shadowknights should ignore str and focus on intelligence
#pocket clerics
#Fungi King and WW dragons are the ultimate test of Powah and Skillzzz

🤔

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It is clear the trolls are simply piling on now in the desparate hope the appearance of consensus means they are correct.

It is unfortunate civil discussion cannot be had on these forums.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is clear the trolls are simply piling on now in the desparate hope the appearance of consensus means they are correct.

It is unfortunate civil discussion cannot be had on these forums.

Says the guy with a consensus of 1

lol

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is unfortunate civil discussion cannot be had on these forums.

You could try responding to people's posts instead of simply calling them trolls or ignoring them, I tried to engage in a civil discussion with you and you simply ignored or dismissed my posts as trolling, without addressing the actual content of the posts.

For example, I'll again point out the true objective fact that you DSM have not provided evidence of your (or any) Shaman root rotting adds parallel to their group. Stating this fact is not me "trolling", it is simply stating an irrefutable fact (which cannot be refuted).

If you were truly interested in civil discussion and supporting your claim (which you argued for tens/hundreds/thousands of posts), you could address this by simply providing evidence to support your claim. This should be a simple point to start or continue the civil discussion, if you were actually interested in having one. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure why you seem to have such a problem providing evidence to support your claims, especially considering you continually demand others provide evidence to support their claims. The ball is in your court!

[Duik]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is clear the trolls are simply piling on now in the desparate hope the appearance of consensus means they are correct.

It is unfortunate civil discussion cannot be had on these forums.

Numb nuts. You say watch my videos for le skillzes displaymentness andz it will prove my pointz!

We have watched.
You have been weighed and measured and you have been found wanting.