Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Lysander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi, I'll play forum quest with you for a bit. No I did not read a 380 page thread that I just found yesterday thoroughly because I am not insane. You need to tone it down, calling me a self-righteous hypocrite is quite rude.

I agree that I do not want my shaman root rotting my charm pet group or a DPS shaman in my group. The fact that DSM seems extremely determined to win the argument at all costs really should have nothing to do you, you seem to take it personally as an affront to you. The correct way to deal with crazy people who won't shut up and are wrong is to leave them alone and not engage, and then eventually they will stop. Even DSM would get bored after 5 or 6 consecutive posts. I think most people learned this when they were in high school. You don't fight crazy by shouting in their ear until they give up. Are you going to start arguing with the local homeless man near you? Have the thousands of people argue with flat earth truthers gotten anywhere? No, what you do is ignore crazy and just let them fizzle out. If DSM is so batshit crazy and wrong, like literally who cares? Is it boo-hoo poor accidental reader of the forums is going to read bad advice. Good. From what I can tell classic is all about people telling people bad advice like warriors that their best stat is intelligence or whatever. And I think people are pretty good at knowing who is right or wrong in an internet argument.

DSM is pushing his argument so badly because that's the way he is and he thinks he's right. The amount of mad displayed from you by DSM moving goal posts or whatever is laughable. I agree he deserves everything he gets because he's replying back endlessly, the unfortunate thing is that he seems to be coping much better and has a lot more stamina than you, while you are so butthurt it's showing on my screen. He is definitely trolling back and maybe you should stop engaging once it gets to "sorry you don't got x", and "glad you admit you're wrong." I don't know why you think everyone has to be right all the time on the internet. Maybe you could let someone be wrong on the internet? When you get mad and start insulting him and calling him autistic, you really aren't winning, no matter how much more DPS mages do than Shamans.

I stand by my point that everyone should be grateful that DSM was willing argue for 370 pages. it was hilarious and if you didn't think it was hilarious why did you keep posting really? Did you really think you were gonna get him to stop? After 200 pages he was gonna give up on page 250? You seem like your whole goal is to get him to stop posting and admit that you're right and that he is autistic and that he owes you for showing him the truth, like this is some kind of communist struggle session. I didn't know it's wrong that people have different opinions. Is it evil to insist 2+2=3?

VQ alt to the rescue

[Lampolo]

That was a nice version of what I had to say. I typed that with care for you dsm. Those were not insults. I actually retyped that cause I didn't want to be mean. The way you bate people and switch everything up and stay irrelevant makes me think you are a very diligent troll and not so dumb

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lysander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow I just found this thread and this is a gem outside of RnF, I am surprised no one moved it.

As for my takes on it, unfortunately for all you guys trying to look good for arguing with DSM; you guys were clearly trolling him, and I don't know how some of you guys think you are angels for opposing him and losing faith in humanity because of his persistence. It's a bit much. And clearly, I think DSM should have given up on page 30 rather than on page 360. I think he has a bit of a problem for going on so long, but so do all of you clearly and you should stop pretending to be white knights like you have the high ground or something. You are not heroes of justice for opposing his (possibly) wrong views about Everquest. The projection that DSM is a autistic stubborn asshole troll but not me is baffling considering many of you also argued for a good 40-50 pages of this thread too.

If you all notice, this thread only ended when DSM stopped posting. That should be a sign that you guys were all egging him on, not the other way around. DSM's character flaw is just that doesn't know how to let others get the last word in. (I think he's learning) And he has different opinions about things. He seems cool and I would take him in my xp group any day. You guys say he's a complete moron but I haven't seen any evidence he doesn't play his shaman well.

As for the content of the thread, well I've never been in a 4 person group for optimization purposes so I think it's a dumb thing to debate. I would probably pick enc/enc/cleric/mage. Sorry DSM, they convinced me, I think you're wrong. I support your crusade and I have never been in a enc/enc/cleric/shm group in my life so i have no idea. I don't agree with everything he posts but he has his points and I enjoy reading them, and clearly most of the forum does here too because everytime he posts things they balloon to 50 pages. Y'all should be really grateful to him. You all flame him and troll him but he's still here. Most people would have left long ago.

I'm so glad to contribute to this amazing thread! BDA to Phinigel!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a nice version of what I had to say. I typed that with care for you dsm. Those were not insults. I actually retyped that cause I didn't want to be mean. The way you bate people and switch everything up and stay irrelevant makes me think you are a very diligent troll and not so dumb

I see you realized that admitting to being a bully and insulting people is bad for your image. Glad I could help!

[Lampolo]

Telling people they are secretly admitting something they are unaware of is provocative. You do this constantly. You act so smug like your the only one that can read between the lines. This is what I mean by unlikable...etc

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Telling people they are secretly admitting something they are unaware of is provocative. You do this constantly. You act so smug like your the only one that can read between the lines. This is what I mean by unlikable...etc

There is no implication of secret admissions, or reading between the lines. You said it directly:

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are ripe for bullying

You have been acting very aggressive, so it sounds disingenuous when you try to explain yourself. You look like you are trying to weasel your way out of a mistake.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you when you say you are trying to help me. Context does get lost in text messages.

Your recent posts are master classes on how a bully acts, and you put yourself into a trap by saying I am "ripe for bullying".

You aren't going to win any hearts and minds this way. I would advise you change tactics.

[Lampolo]

You may have needed more bullying/ass kicking as a kid. A certain degree of this can be healthy and necessary for correcting dogs shit behavior

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You may have needed more bullying/ass kicking as a kid. A certain degree of this can be healthy and necessary for correcting dogs shit behavior

You just claimed that you aren't a bully, and are now advocating that I get bullied.

Amazing. I guess I wasn't "reading between the lines".

[Lampolo]

try making sense next post

[Gloomlord]

"Shamans are the second best solo class in the game, even though we're talking about a 4 man group here where 2 classes render him obsolete".

Genius! Much like a "pocket cleric" not being a 5th member, right?

My suggestion isn't that it "cannot work" -- it's that it's "meaningless".

You've lost the argument, do you realise that?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Shamans are the second best solo class in the game, even though we're talking about a 4 man group here where 2 classes render him obsolete".

Genius! Much like a "pocket cleric" not being a 5th member, right?

My suggestion isn't that it "cannot work" -- it's that it's "meaningless".

You've lost the argument, do you realise that?

The reason why Enchanters are the best solo class is because they are the most powerful class overall. It's not a coincidence. Why do you think people want multiple Enchanters on the same team? The same logic follows with a Shaman and a Monk for their respective roles.

The argument that redundancy renders a class obsolete is extremely silly when you advocate for 2 Enchanters on the same team. That is the definition of redundancy, but it is still a great idea.

I think the issue here is you don't understand enough about the game to realize a 4 man group is not a very good number on P99. Most people prefer trios because you don't really expand the amount of content you can do with 4 people, and loot splits better 3 ways. You generally want 5-6 people for the harder single group content.

And yes, plenty of people have pocket clerics. Thinking otherwise is simply naïve. Guilds have cleric bots too, so you may not even need to level one up yourself.

Saying something is "meaningless" is meaningless by itself. Again, I am not sure why we have to trust you on this.