Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

It's kind of impressive to be this staggeringly wrong and hold your ground for 33 pages posting 4-5 times per page

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's kind of impressive to be this staggeringly wrong and hold your ground for 33 pages posting 4-5 times per page

I agree. You, Troxx, Ripqozko, Crede, Z, etc. are either unable to do basic math, or are in extreme denial. It is not my fault you cannot understand or accept basic math[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Realistically, most groups are used to seeing the shaman doing 1/4 of a mage's damage because the shaman's healing/slowing/buffing/etc. Ask one to operate in damage mode he's going to be more like 80% of the magician. It's more work, admittedly, but in truth the shaman's probably doing that much work anyway most the time, just using the mana for other tasks. I'm not suggesting the shaman will rival the magician, just get close enough that the magician is going to have a tough time justifying himself based on the difference. That should be a fairly less objectionable argument.

Agreed.

[Raj]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's kind of impressive to be this staggeringly wrong and hold your ground for 33 pages posting 4-5 times per page

[Troxx]

It is indeed less objectionable Danth. I would disagree on how close the shaman can get to the mage. A lot of that depends on circumstances. The lower the number of people in the group and the higher the hp of the mob skews favor to shaman (dots are beautiful like that). The faster the kill rate, lower the hp of the mob and the more downtime a group has favors the magician.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would disagree on how close the shaman can get to the mage. A lot of that depends on circumstances.

No disagreement needed--or I'd disagree with myself, even, depending on the situation. That's why I try not to get into napkin math too much, this game has so many variables that trying to use one hard number for anything almost always falls flat.

The 4-man group is about the pefect storm for this type of argument because it's just large enough where it's not quite so small a smallman and the shaman's utility, while nice, isn't quite as dominant as it is in say a duo. Far from complaining I think it's a fun exercise...I like this hobby and don't mind the banter.

Danth

[Keebz]

Let's see those Stanos parses DSM. Go root rot 4 Stanos. How about Seb protector? You've been arguing about best 4 casters at lvl 60 (you conceded shaman wasn't good enough below 60), yet you're showing parses of you root rotting lvl 40 mobs. Pick a real target.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see those Stanos parses DSM. Go root rot 4 Stanos. How about Seb protector? You've been arguing about best 4 casters at lvl 60 (you conceded shaman wasn't good enough below 60), yet you're showing parses of you root rotting lvl 40 mobs. Pick a real target.

You missed the discussion. Please read. We were talking about Sebilis, so I am using mobs that a Mage would typically be fighting. You aren't bringing a Mage to Fungi King, you are bringing them to disco. The only difficult camp a Mage would be used for in Seb is Juggs for CoTH.

I have plenty of videos showing me fighting tougher mobs on my youtube channel if you want to parse those hehe. Remember though that my DPS will be lower because I also need to face tank the mob. In a group I don't need to do that typically, so I can focus on DPS.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't bringing a Mage to Fungi King

I will argue this one even though we're more broadly in agreement: If the guy plays a mage, it happens to be what he has, his buddies aren't going to tell him to stuff it and stay home if they happen to want to do myconids sometime. So this time, he goes to Fungus King, ideal or not. The wife and I have had friends on unusual-for-the-zone characters tag along with us any number of times. So for this specific discussion, I think we shouldn't discount it. The group's going to make do with what they have.


Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will argue this one even though we're more broadly in agreement: If the guy plays a mage, it happens to be what he has, his buddies aren't going to tell him to stuff it and stay home if they happen to want to do myconids sometime. So this time, he goes to Fungus King, ideal or not. The wife and I have had friends on unusual-for-the-zone characters tag along with us any number of times. So for this specific discussion, I think we shouldn't discount it. The group's going to make do with what they have.


Danth

Of course, but this discussion is about ideal classes. Obviously a group of friends will do what they want with what they have. You could do Fungi King with a lot of class combinations, but that doesn't mean Mage is better than Shaman if you had to pick one.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course, but this discussion is about ideal classes.

Sort of: It was about an ideal group, but for use overall, including taking said group to places where their characters might be individually unsuited. If you're stuck with a magician at fungus king, even if you'd prefer something else, it's an interesting discussion in its own right to see what it can do and how to make the best of it.

It's a big game. None but the most determined magician advocates aren't going to concede the shaman's going to be better when this same group heads over to West Wastes to fight some dragons.