Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

Remember we’re voting on whether a shaman or druid would be a better addition to a 2 enchanter 1 cleric all caster group. So far shamans are losing by a wide margin. Poor DSM.

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Tally so far

Druid 4
Shaman 1
Tie 1 (with druid lean)

Get your votes in!

As DSM won’t cast an official vote, I’ll presume shaman is his preference and have cast his vote in absentia for him. If he changes is mind I’ll happily change his vote to druid


POLLING STATION WILL CLOSE SOON! Get your votes in!

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Unless we get a slate of fake electors to hijack voting machines and usurp the will of the fine upstanding legal citizens of Norrath it looks like shamans are going to be relegated 5th best choice for this group (otherwise known as “dayum almost as bad as wizards”)

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Cast your votes now!

[Troxx]

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[Troxx]

We voted on whether a shaman or druid would be a better addition to a 2 enchanter 1 cleric all caster group.

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POLLING SITES ARE CLOSED! We are looking for any possible missing absentee ballots but do not expect to find any.

Final tally:

Druid 4
Shaman 1
Tie 1 (with druid lean)


The community has spoken!

Best group is cleric + ench + ench + *other*

For *other* the results are as follows:

First place: a necro, another enchanter or a mage
Second place: another enchanter, a mage or a necro
Third place: a mage, a necro, or another enchanter
Fourth place: druid
Fifth place: shaman
Sixth place: wizard

I would like to thank the community for turn-out and participation.

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[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We voted on whether a shaman or druid would be a better addition to a 2 enchanter 1 cleric all caster group.

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POLLING SITES ARE CLOSED! We are looking for any possible missing absentee ballots but do not expect to find any.

Final tally:

Druid 4
Shaman 1
Tie 1 (with druid lean)


The community has spoken!

Best group is cleric + ench + ench + *other*

For *other* the results are as follows:

First place: a necro, another enchanter or a mage
Second place: another enchanter, a mage or a necro
Third place: a mage, a necro, or another enchanter
Fourth place: druid
Fifth place: shaman
Sixth place: wizard

I would like to thank the community for turn-out and participation.

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[PlsNoBan]

ATTENTION ALL THE PEOPLE NOT READING THIS THREAD: PLEASE IGNORE EVERYONE EXCEPT DSM. EVERYONE ELSE IZ TROLLZ.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ATTENTION ALL THE PEOPLE NOT READING THIS THREAD: PLEASE IGNORE EVERYONE EXCEPT DSM. EVERYONE ELSE IZ TROLLZ.

The top five posters who are trolling are:

PlsNoBan with 609 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Troxx with 410 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Cyxthryth with 323 posts, all of which are nonsense.

Gloomlord with 249 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Ripqozko with 109 post, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

The total is currently well over 1300 posts that are just insults/memes/trolls.

Yes, it is very easy to figure out who the trolls are in this thread.

You reap what you sow. If you don't want to be a troll, don't troll.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The top five posters who are trolling are:

PlsNoBan with 609 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Troxx with 410 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Cyxthryth with 323 posts, all of which are nonsense.

Gloomlord with 249 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Ripqozko with 109 post, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

The total is currently well over 1300 posts that are just insults/memes/trolls.

Yes, it is very easy to figure out who the trolls are in this thread.

You reap what you sow. If you don't want to be a troll, don't troll.

Respond to Cyxthryth, you absolute coward.

You even admitted it wasn't either of those three thing, but "nonsense".

Isn't it all nonsense, then? Just stop lying.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The top five posters who are trolling are:

PlsNoBan with 609 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Troxx with 410 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Cyxthryth with 323 posts, all of which are nonsense.

Gloomlord with 249 posts, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

Ripqozko with 109 post, the vast majority are just insults/memes/trolls.

The total is currently well over 1300 posts that are just insults/memes/trolls.

The above Quote is simply an example of you sharing your opinion, which is simply your opinion.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it is very easy to figure out who the trolls are in this thread.

You have not provided the definition of "troll" that you are using.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You reap what you sow. If you don't want to be a troll, don't troll.

You have not provided the definition of "troll" that you are using.

You have not addressed the below:

DSM has repeatedly provided copy/pastes which simply do not contain any evidence or data of his Shaman performing DPS - or any other action/activity - in an environment/context/scenario that is (or would be) relevant to the discussion; hence his copy/pastes are irrelevant to this discussion.

While DSM is - seemingly - unable or unwilling to provide relevant evidence/data that supports his many claims/statements/positions (which change when he moves the goalposts & edits his posts), I have irrefutable proof of the following, which DSM has as of yet not replied to/acknowledged/defended/challenged/attempted to refute:

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM attempting to move the goalposts by bringing a 5th "pocket" character into his "arguments" (even though this is intended to be a civil discussion - not an argument) pertaining to the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" discussion":

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP never said you couldn't have a pocket cleric. I am not sure why people keep thinking this is not a possible route to take. Between four people it would be trivial to level a cleric to 39. It is pretty common for people to make pocket clerics on P99.

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM attempted to accuse others of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The post history is clear. You are now including cyxthryth to try and strengthen your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum argument because you have nothing else. I find it highly amusing.

Here is my reply to DSM's attempt, in which I point out to him the irrefutable fact - which cannot be refuted - that DSM himself attempted - laughably - to claim (intentionally or otherwise) that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum strengthened his argument when one (1) single other person seemed to agree with him:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your post would seem to betray that you are aware that you have moved goalposts, because you are now attempting (disingenuously) to validate said goalpost-moving by stating that it is objectively true that the OP's post "is general" and that this somehow means "you are not moving the goalposts" by changing the basis of the discussion (from being about 4 priests/casters, to being about 4 priests/casters plus X amount of pocket Clerics, or other pocket classes). It is not objectively true that you are "not moving the goalposts" just because you and OP both agree that the OP's post "was general" and that that somehow means "you are not moving the goalposts". That is simply you - laughably - claiming you (and OP) are correct due to argumentum ad populum hehe. This really isn't hard.

Please clarify what you mean by stating OP's post "was general"?

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM has claimed:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Here re is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - that DSM has also claimed:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM's post in which he claimed Troxx's numbers were way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Here is irrefutable proof/evidence - which cannot be refuted, and which is self evident - of DSM's post to Allishia when they provided their initial data in which he claimed Allishia's numbers were the same as Troxx's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"argument"(s) DSM is defending at any given time due to how often he has moved the goalposts & edited his posts.

For these reasons - which I have repeatedly stated - I am not sure which particular/specific belief/claim/stance/"argument"(s) that DSM is currently holding/defending/"arguing"; it would be helpful if he could elaborate/clarify/specify for the sake of civil discussion.

I am also not sure why DSM has continued to copy/paste his - irrelevant - data, after this exchange occured - which cannot be refuted & is visible and clear in the cleary visible post history - which DSM has as of yet not replied to/acknowledged/defended/challenged/attempted to refute:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason why I am reposting the information is because the trolls are trying to hide the information.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The content of your post seems to include a claim that "the trolls" are trying to "hide the information". The first problem is that your post would seem to indicate that you believe that information will be "hidden" if additional posts are made - that is objectively false/incorrect DSM. Even if additional posts are made after a specific post, the post history is - and will remain - clear hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that you have been advised and/or reminded of this irrefutable fact - which cannot be refuted - you should not need to continue to copy/paste to make sure your posts do not get "hidden" hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am also not sure why your post(s) would seemingly indicate that you think that the particular data/information that you keep providing in your copy/pasted posts - which includes data/information of your Shaman's performance in an environment/context/scenario that is contrary to the environment/context/scenario relevant to this discussion, as has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple posters - is somehow relevant to this discussion. It is not. It is simply irrelevant for reasons explained in multiple posts by multiple posters (including in this very post).

Again, DSM - of course - continues not to (directly) reply to me for some reason, and has continued to label me and/or my posts as "a troll"/"trolling", without providing the definition of "troll" / "trolling" that he is using (nor what he meant by stating that OP's post "was general"), and whilst providing zero evidence to support his claims of my being a troll/trolling.

The ball is in DSM's court if he has relevant, factual data to support his various positions/claims/"argument"(s) - and is willing to clarify which particular position/claim/argument(s) he currently holds/"argues", as they change when he moves goalposts or edits his posts - and/or if he would like to provide the definitions he is using for "troll"/"trolling", "nonsense", "silly", "vitriol", and "win"for the sake of civil discussion hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ATTENTION ALL THE PEOPLE NOT READING THIS THREAD: PLEASE IGNORE EVERYONE EXCEPT DSM. EVERYONE ELSE IZ TROLLZ.

[PlsNoBan]

"5 people combined have 1200 posts. What a bunch of idiots. Who would post that much?" - Guy with 1200 posts by himself

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