Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 235

PlsNoBan · #1 09-14-2022, 02:24 PM

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I will say this: emergencies when they do arise are the responsibility of everyone in the group. 3 players in this theoretical group already have massive (the best) capabilities to deal with these circumstances: enchanter x2 and cleric for reasons that should be OBVIOUS.

Can a mage help out? Yep. It’s called using your pet to tank and lock down crap and/or unloading your mana bar. In a full, reckless/feckless burn a mage can crank out around 200dps (+/-) a bit depending on resists to get shit dead. If the shit is dead, no emergency. Or how about dash out of range and CoTH the cleric to wipe aggro and then take one for the team (suicide) so the group can hard reboot. Or heck even quick camp the inevitable wipe and CoTH the cleric back to a safe spot to rez in?

None of this should ever happen (ever) in a group of competent players.

So yeah. Mages do more than twice the damage of shamans. The group doesn’t need the shaman utility or safety net.

So the mage is more than twice as desirable as the shaman.

Glad DSM and I finally agree!

I feel like there's a strong chance DSM has never actually been in a group with 2 good encs and a good cleric before. He absolutely refuses to believe they won't constantly be in danger or making mistakes that only a shaman can correct for some reason. If that's been his only experience then you can't really fault him for feeling like his utility/heals matter. I think the rest of us are painfully aware of how unneeded shaman utility/heals are in a group like this consisting of good players. He keeps trying to belittle how much extra benefit you get from more DPS but the problem is with the right players in this group comp you get literally 0 benefit from the utility and heals he provides. They simply don't need it. Any amount of DPS is better and it doesn't matter how many extra kills you do or don't get.

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The most common group I had at Fungi King was Monk/Enchanter/Shaman and sometimes a Cleric, either a player or a pocket Cleric.

Question isn't whats the most common group for x camp. This isn't a class popularity contest. You can do fungi camp with a wide variety of sub-optimal groups. It's not THAT hard of a camp in the first place. The question AGAIN is what is the BEST group of casters/priests overall. You seem to forget what the actual question is and steer off into the weeds very frequently.

DeathsSilkyMist · #2 09-14-2022, 02:25 PM

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I feel like there's a strong chance DSM has never actually been in a group with 2 good encs and a good cleric before. He absolutely refuses to believe they won't constantly be in danger or making mistakes that only a shaman can correct for some reason. If that's been his only experience then you can't really fault him for feeling like his utility/heals matter. I think the rest of us are painfully aware of how unneeded shaman utility/heals are in a group like this consisting of good players. He keeps trying to belittle how much extra benefit you get from more DPS but the problem is with the right players in this group comp you get literally 0 benefit from the utility and heals he provides. They simply don't need it. Any amount of DPS is better and it doesn't matter how many extra kills you do or don't get.

I have. The only thing I can assume is people don't really play the game, because DPS increases don't help the party after a certain point. They also assume everybody plays perfect lol.

Whether they know it or not, DPS breakpoints are why most people prefer to play with 3-4 group members rather than 6. You are getting less XP with 6 members, and the DPS increase isn't getting you more kills per hour. It is a lose/lose situation to try and get more DPS via more group members after 3-4 players.

PlsNoBan · #3 09-14-2022, 02:27 PM

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I have

Kinda doubt it. Your definition of good and my definition are different.

DeathsSilkyMist · #4 09-14-2022, 02:28 PM

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Kinda doubt it. Your definition of good and my definition are different.

It is true that our definitions are different. You think "good" is "perfect play". I say that is nonsense.

I have seen plenty of highly experienced players make mistakes.

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Question isn't whats the most common group for x camp. This isn't a class popularity contest. You can do fungi camp with a wide variety of sub-optimal groups. It's not THAT hard of a camp in the first place. The question AGAIN is what is the BEST group of casters/priests overall. You seem to forget what the actual question is and steer off into the weeds very frequently.

Not at all. The problem is you assume an "optimal" group is just whatever group can output the highest DPS, which is incorrect due to diminishing returns. The most effective group for a high value item camp like Fungi King is a group with enough DPS to maximize kills per hour, and minimize the chances of wiping, so you can secure the maximum possible number of kills per play session.

Troxx · #5 09-14-2022, 02:36 PM

300 here we come!

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DeathsSilkyMist · #6 09-14-2022, 02:37 PM

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300 here we come!

Yup, you go back to trolling when you have been proven wrong, yet again.

cyxthryth · #7 09-14-2022, 02:43 PM

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Yup, you go back to trolling when you have been proven wrong, yet again.

Nope. Not me! I am just attempting to engage in a civil discussion with you, and I have not been proven wrong whatsoever (much less "yet again") hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am eagerly awaiting any reply from you or your (seeming/apparent) supporters Kich867 or eqravenprince, both of whom have seemingly taken up corners adjacent to yours to silently concede in, or are perhaps making better-written/more well-thought-out posts to attempt to defend you and/or your position (whatever that is...) in this civil discussion hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toxigen · #8 09-14-2022, 02:43 PM

Nah. Not gonna compete with your 940 posts of shit.

DeathsSilkyMist · #9 09-14-2022, 02:44 PM

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Nah. Not gonna compete with your 940 posts of shit.

Ok. You are perfectly fine to have your opinion. There is no problem with this.

But it will stay as just that, an opinion, until you can provide support for it.

cyxthryth · #10 09-14-2022, 02:49 PM

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Ok. You are perfectly fine to have your opinion. There is no problem with this.

But it will stay as just that, an opinion, until you can provide support for it.

What (factual, relevant) evidence do you believe you have provided in this thread which demonstrates what your Shaman is capable of doing in a high level, fast-paced killing DPS group? This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]