Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Ripqozko]

This is a good thread for reason to choose Riot instead of Vanquish, hope that helps.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your group is doing roughly 340 DPS with the Mage, and 275 DPS with the Shaman.

-120 mage dps is more than double 55 shaman dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-120 dps is more than double 55 dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

Again, this is a nonsense argument.

The Mage can only DPS. If your group only needs DPS during a specific encounter, your Shaman can just do DPS.

The benefit to a Shaman is the Shaman can switch out of DPS mode at any time. Your Mage is stuck in DPS mode forever, and can't help the party when an emergency occurs.

DPS has diminishing returns, so 65 DPS means less if your group's DPS is already really high.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-120 mage dps is more than double 55 shaman dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

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Your data. Your math. Not mine.

The group doesn’t need anything else from you.

Glad we agree.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your data. Your math. Not mine.

The group doesn’t need anything else from you.

Glad we agree.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-120 mage dps is more than double 55 shaman dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

Nope.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, this is a nonsense argument.

The Mage can only DPS. If your group only needs DPS during a specific encounter, your Shaman can just do DPS.

The benefit to a Shaman is the Shaman can switch out of DPS mode at any time. Your Mage is stuck in DPS mode forever, and can't help the party when an emergency occurs.

DPS has diminishing returns, so 65 DPS means less if your group's DPS is already really high.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would love to get some raw DPS data from Enchanters. I am literally just using your own data. It is hilarious you keep blaming me for your own data.

But the Enchanter pets doing more DPS hurts your argument further lol.

If the Enchanters are doing 220 DPS with pets, the math looks like this:

Your group is doing roughly 340 DPS with the Epic Mage, and 275 DPS with the Shaman.

The difference in time is 23.5 seconds vs. 29 seconds. The time difference drops to 5.5 seconds.

DPS has diminishing returns on kill speed the more you stack.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-120 mage dps is more than double 55 shaman dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

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[PlsNoBan]

Ooh we're back to spamming copy pasted posts full of bullshit. Excellent strategy. I'm sure it'll be very convincing for all the silent readers.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ooh we're back to spamming copy pasted posts full of bullshit. Excellent strategy. I'm sure it'll be very convincing for all the silent readers.

Yup. Copy/pasting the facts that haven't been disproven so they don't get drowned out by trolls is superior to your strategy of trolling.

Remember when you admitted to trolling?

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone (including you) has trolled at various points in this thread. Troll posts are not the majority of my posts. I have zero issue admitting when I'm doing so. Unlike some of us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the facts that haven't been disproven

Are you referring to (some or all of) the many irrefutable facts - which you cannot refute - that I have consistently posted while responding directly to you/to your posts, which you have ignored?

If not, please clarify which facts you are referring to so that we may quantify them hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when you admitted to trolling?

I have admitted to zero trolling. Quite the contrary! In irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - I have challenged you calling me a troll and have asked you to provide proof/evidence of my "trolling". You have not provided - and seemingly cannot provide - any evidence that supports your claim, hence your claim is unsubstantiated - and false.

Your post would seem to indicate that you believe that others "want to shut you up"? Oh quite the contrary! I have been attempting to continue having a civil discussion with you, but you have repeatedly ignored my posts and dodged my questions hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's continue our civil discussion!

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. Copy/pasting the facts that haven't been disproven so they don't get drowned out by trolls is superior to your strategy of trolling.

Remember when you admitted to trolling?

Admitting to making a few troll posts =/= admitting to being a troll or every post I make is a troll. I know you don't really have any good arguments in general but this is a really bad one.