Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jesus christ i come back from vacation to another 20+ page sperg thread

the answer is enc, enc, enc, cleric and there is no debate otherwise

next.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jesus christ i come back from vacation to another 20+ page sperg thread

the answer is enc, enc, enc, cleric and there is no debate otherwise

next.

Wrong answer in classic EQ, correct answer for P99.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong answer in classic EQ, correct answer for P99.

It was probably the correct answer in classic too. People just didn't know any better and/or weren't as good at the game. Competent enchanters can manage charm pets with almost zero or zero issues for extended periods of time these days. But yeah generally I agree with you. Funny how a shaman main can acknowledge that shaman isn't necessarily the best at everything in every situation. Odd concept lol

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was probably the correct answer in classic too. People just didn't know any better and/or weren't as good at the game. Competent enchanters can manage charm pets with almost zero or zero issues for extended periods of time these days. But yeah generally I agree with you. Funny how a shaman main can acknowledge that shaman isn't necessarily the best at everything in every situation. Odd concept lol

Not worth discussing that with Loramin lol. His whole basis is “I don’t remember people using enchanters a certain way which means there are non classic mechanics going on because my memory is the most important evidence” (besides channeling)

[Vexenu]

DSM, we've already established that your appeals to "the math" are bullshit. I gave you the example of shotgunning a beer: just because you can drink a beer in five seconds that way does not mean you can extrapolate out and claim you can drink 720 beers per hour. It doesn't matter if you're spamming Canni and Torpor non-stop, with C2, bard song and your Ogre grandma's magical pair of mana-regenerating panties on your head. You are not going to out-DPS a Mage over the length of an average group. You aren't even going to come close. You're going to sit there root rotting mobs for over 800 mana a pop (you conveniently ignore root mana cost in your calc despite claiming you will kill four a time) while the Mage just has to refresh pet haste and DS every few minutes. He can just sit there spamming Burnt Wood Staff/Lord Bob boots for additional mana-free damage. He can do that all day long. Meanwhile you're blowing 800 mana per kill and claiming you can keep up the same kill rate. You're positively demented.

There's a reason literally no one has ever seen the following sentence uttered in the entire history of P1999: "Group looking for Shaman for DPS".

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, just because you can drink a beer in five seconds does not mean you can drink 720 beers per hour.

Can we get an hour-long video of you pumping shaman dps to the max in some kind of group?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an hour-long video of you pumping shaman dps to the max in some kind of group?

At this point we really need a video of a level 60 Mage, so we can see what they can do. I have a whole youtube channel full of videos of my Shaman, while all of these posters who don't like the data have yet to even show logs besides Troxx lol. The burden of proof is on the side of people defending Mages. It is pretty one sided right now in terms of evidence. I am providing the vast majority of it, while everybody else is basically trolling. Troxx is the only one to provide data (thank you for that), but the data doesn't show Mages in a great position. If his data is wrong, someone else needs to step up and bring some.

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a whole youtube channel full of short videos of my Shaman, not root rotting in a group, not pumping DPS.

[Troxx]

Ah … a walk down memory lane

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, we've already established that your appeals to "the math" are bullshit. I gave you the example of shotgunning a beer: just because you can drink a beer in five seconds that way does not mean you can extrapolate out and claim you can drink 720 beers per hour. It doesn't matter if you're spamming Canni and Torpor non-stop, with C2, bard song and your Ogre grandma's magical pair of mana-regenerating panties on your head. You are not going to out-DPS a Mage over the length of an average group. You aren't even going to come close. You're going to sit there root rotting mobs for over 800 mana a pop (you conveniently ignore root mana cost in your calc despite claiming you will kill four a time) while the Mage just has to refresh pet haste and DS every few minutes. He can just sit there spamming Burnt Wood Staff/Lord Bob boots for additional mana-free damage. He can do that all day long. Meanwhile you're blowing 800 mana per kill and claiming you can keep up the same kill rate. You're positively demented.

There's a reason literally no one has ever seen the following sentence uttered in the entire history of P1999: "Group looking for Shaman for DPS".

Page 23. Goalposts have moved. All actual commentary/debate worth having has been lost in the quagmire of hilarious claims about shaman DPS. If memory serves correctly it’s only gonna get weirder.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx is posting these things due to a number of points he cannot rebut. He wants to dodge by bloating the thread.

One point he cannot rebut is why he thinks pocket clerics aren't allowed. This doesn't make sense for a number of reasons:

1. OP did not say they were prohibited.
2. Pocket clerics are a common practice on P99 already.
3. If you claim OP meant that you can only play four main characters and nothing else, then that would exclude mules too. OP didn't say this either.
4. Why would a normal person take a thread who's only rule is "best four person all caster group", and stop using mules and pocket clerics when they've already used them in the past?