Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People keeping losing the message. The mage is there mainly for malo + pet. The pet is really good on charm breaks and malo helps reduce charm breaks. Because there are 2 chanters, the value of this is doubled. The added utility and DPS are secondary to that.

People have suggested Necro instead, which is a fair argument.

I didn't lose the message. Shamans can Malo (a better Malo too), and the Shaman pet can off-tank Charm breaks just fine in Seb. DPS-wise a Shaman can indeed keep up with a Mage if you split your efforts. Even just root/rotting two mobs gets you to the low end DPS of Troxx's Mage. A Mage offers nothing of value over a Shaman in most of Seb. CoTHing to Juggs is a good point, but that is only one camp[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't lose the message.

There's 15 pages of DPS arguing that shows otherwise.

I don't know what happened in your life that you feel like have to control every thread on p99 forums, but I wish you the very best in getting it back on track.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's 15 pages of DPS arguing that shows otherwise.

I don't know what happened in your life that you feel like have to control every thread on p99 forums, but I wish you the very best in getting it back on track.

The math is quite clear DPS-wise. 100 pages of people trying to deny it won't change the math.

But you said it yourself: the DPS is secondary. That makes Mages even worse hehe, because a Shaman can offer the exact same Charm break safety, plus they can also slow and heal. If both pets Charm break, having two healers means you can heal both Enchanters at the same time if necessary. Plus Shamans have AoE slow hehe. Just slow the broken mobs if it's an emergency.

EDIT: I may be wrong about Haste overriding Slow. I am thinking of the other way around, where Slow overrides Haste.

You have a strange idea of how forums work if you think I am "controlling threads" lol. I am offering information, and people who don't like me for whatever reason want to chime in to attack me. Stick to the topic and prove me wrong with logic and evidence.

[Troxx]

Point of the parses will be only to DSM that I’m not lying about mage dps. For the record we had a monk with fist of nature (tunare) and priceless velium wraps that I consistently beat the dps of. This doesn’t mean mage is better than that monk … far from it … but in the singular role of dps mages are a top notch choice. And they don’t need raid gear or epic pet to do it. They don’t magically get weaker at 60.

Mages have well known limitations. But for what they do well (killing shit) we do admirably.

Ps unless the ench was nuking a lot that I couldn’t parse I beat the ench charm pet quite on many fights. Again mages are not better than enchanters globally at all. They are good at making shit dead though.

[Troxx]

Mages are A-ok. Not overpowered but they are strong at what they do.

[Troxx]

Gotta mow and weed eater the lawn then I’ll sit down and compile the hours of fights (the good the bad and the ugly)

[Troxx]

what do you want? single parses showing amaze balls or sustained parses of a 60 group geared mage out-dpsing a monk with tunares fist and 15/20 offhand? I'm confused. The numbers fuck up with combined parses but the relative value compared to known variables (ie a raid geared monk) still stands.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what do you want? single parses showing amaze balls or sustained parses of a 60 group geared mage out-dpsing a monk with tunares fist and 15/20 offhand? I'm confused.

Just show the average DPS of you fighting some single mobs in Sebilis hehe. That is how you would calculate DPS. Trying to get a full DPS check over an hour in a group just has too many variables (and chances to miss logs).

As you said, DPS is heavily dependent on a lot of factors, so we need to keep it simple.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what do you want?

I appreciate what you tried to do and every sane person will look at those numbers and realize what we all knew all along. That mages are much better consistent damage in MOST situations than a shaman will ever be. Unfortunately we're arguing with someone who's lost his marbles and refuses to concede his obviously idiotic argument no matter what anyone says or any amount of data showing otherwise. You can jump through literally every hoop he lays out and show numbers that proves him wrong and he'll just move the goalpost.

I'm disappointed in myself really. Deep down I know this person is a moron and can't be reasoned with and its pointless to try. Yet part of me can't help but try to argue some sense into them. I should know better but I never learn my lesson lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate what you tried to do and every sane person will look at those numbers and realize what we all knew all along. That mages are much better consistent damage in MOST situations than a shaman will ever be. Unfortunately we're arguing with someone who's lost his marbles and refuses to concede his obviously idiotic argument no matter what anyone says or any amount of data showing otherwise. You can jump through literally every hoop he lays out and show numbers that proves him wrong and he'll just move the goalpost.

I'm disappointed in myself really. Deep down I know this person is a moron and can't be reasoned with and its pointless to try. Yet part of me can't help but try to argue some sense into them. I should know better but I never learn my lesson lol

Just saying you are right means nothing. Data please. So far your only data is insulting people lol. I don't know what data you are looking at, but the stuff Troxx posted shows pretty low DPS for a Mage to be honest.