Go Nancy!

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is nacy posturing to china if the white house and military is tellign her not to?

All about appearances. She's not going rogue here believe me.

[Jibartik]

I want loramin to tell me from the horses mouth:

WHAT IS PELOSI DOING IN TIAWAN right now.

I want to know the official reason.

Not what his passionate belief is.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want loramin to tell me from the horses mouth:

WHAT IS PELOSI DOING IN TIAWAN right now.

I want to know the official reason.

Not what his passionate belief is.

The reason she’s there is exactly what she said. Anyone who doesn’t get that is a moron

[Jibartik]

This is "knock the stick off my shoulder" politics.

And nobody knows for sure why it's happening.

Not even the whitehouse, or the military.

It makes us look so fricken stupid.

[Jibartik]

Do you really think Nanci freaking Pelosi, the most institutional of all institutional politicians, is singlehandedly trying to change US foreign policy?

Unless you can find me a quote from the white house that doesn't say other wise, yes.

Biden said he didnt know why she was goign on camera.

Blinken says that he doesnt know why she is going, and the military is on reccord saying they dont want her to go.

and the press has no clue why or when or what is going on either.

Yes, I very confidently can say that, unless you can show me some evidence other than your opinion otherwise.

. She's 100% pushing America's stance

“We are clear that nothing has changed about our one China policy which is guided by Taiwan Relations Act. We do not support Taiwan’s independence,” The secretary of state said while addressing a media briefing.

Likewise, she undoubtedly discussed and planned the whole trip with the executive department, whatever they say publicly. This may come as a shock to you, but countries don't just announce their intentions on everything publicly

White House clash with Pelosi over Taiwan spills into the open

Theres too much evidence contrary to what you believe for me to pick it out of that link, but go read it, its from a leftist source.

And you cannot just say, "The goverment does secret things, and they're all very organized and smart" as an argument as to why what they say publicly vs what they do is different! That's your own opinion.

Do we want to thwart China's territorial ambitions? 100%, zero doubt. Do we also want cheap Chinese goods? 110%. Both things can be true at once.

All you had to say was: I dont care how many people die. I want my mangia and I want guns to protect me while I eat it!

[loramin]

Jib, are you seriously telling me you believe our government and politicians don't talk out of both sides of their mouth?

That seems a bit ... naive.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jib, are you seriously telling me you believe our government and politicians don't talk out of both sides of their mouth?

That seems a bit ... naive.

No - and didn't you just say this condescendingly:

Because humans in the real world (unlike these forums) can handle not going to the extreme on every topic.

Anyway

I think what you're suggesting their plan is, to pretend like everyone -- the secretary of state, the president, the military, the press.... that nobody knows what is going on.... to some how confuse china? Or what's the value in everyone on the worlds stage see our leaders look confused and not understand what each branch of our goverment is doing?

somehow makes us look stronger or something? Like the plan is to make the world think that we're just completely disorganized from the top down and have no idea what's going on, and will just scramble to figure it out on the fly?

That's their grand secret plan?

What may I ask you is the end goal of this plan?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No - and didn't you just say this condescendingly:

I did, and I stand by it; the posters in these forums love to embrace extremes.

As for the rest, I don't know her exact motives, and I'm sure she has some agenda, but again it's not about radically altering our foreign policy toward China.

[Elizondo]

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[Jibartik]

I feel that I am owed an explenation about this - this would be like if idk, matt gaetzz just setup a meeting in iran and just didnt answer questinos when people asked about it.

he could be goign there for humanitarian resons sure, but he could be goign there t build an ironman suit or something idk either way he shouldnt be allowed to just do that.