Any roll for loot guilds on Green?

[Raj]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Raj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back.

This is such a silly quote. If you are a casual raider, you are relying on the people who put more time into the game to organize the raid and get your loot. If everybody took that advice, nobody would be raiding lol.

Telling people to stop playing the game is not the same as saying roll guilds are good. The reality is you depend on the highly invested raiders, and they need to get rewarded to continue operating in your guild.

This is why roll guilds never get big. The players who put in the time don't get compensated fairly due to RNG.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Algustus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate camping dungeons for 6 hours just to have the guild elites with thousands of points to spend grabbing all the loot they want and those of us that can't raid as often only get the stuff no one else wants.

First off, who raids for 6 hours? Not even PoG clear takes that long.

But let's assume you were being rhetorical. You really might want to consider that DKP is better for casual players.

With a roll system you go on raids and have no control over what loot you get. The only way to try and get an item you want is to do that raid more ... which is exactly what you can't do.

But if you just go to whatever raids you can go to, and save enough DKP up, you'll be guaranteed to get whatever item you want when it drops.

[Bardp1999]

No is the simple answer

[Fammaden]

You're better off being in a real raid guild with DKP even with low raid attendance as a casual player, your one to two hours at a time is still fine. If anything you can get a lot more value out of that one or two hours in a hyper efficient hardcore guild than wasting half of it in a casual roll for loot crew that is likely to wipe more and spend more time waiting to be ready for things.

But no one ever wants to hear it, everyone thinks you can't succeed in the top guilds here with low playtimes, but they are wrong. If your playtimes were 1-2 hours per WEEK then sure, but you'd also likely get nothing in a casual raid guild that way either.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're better off being in a real raid guild with DKP even with low raid attendance as a casual player, your one to two hours at a time is still fine. If anything you can get a lot more value out of that one or two hours in a hyper efficient hardcore guild than wasting half of it in a casual roll for loot crew that is likely to wipe more and spend more time waiting to be ready for things.

But no one ever wants to hear it, everyone thinks you can't succeed in the top guilds here with low playtimes, but they are wrong. If your playtimes were 1-2 hours per WEEK then sure, but you'd also likely get nothing in a casual raid guild that way either.

+1 this

I barely play and I got dragon loot in Kingdom B) B)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every roll guild I've seen on P99 most members have multiple raid level chars and they are in the guild because they don't want to join the guild like Seal Team. Most of these guilds could tackle most content on P99 with the exception of a small subset of some of the highest tier stuff like AoW. The guilds aren't "low level" they're just less demanding of peoples' time.

There are multiple roll guilds on each server currently IIRC.

Who are these guilds you're referring to?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Roll guilds die out or their good members will leave when they get frustrated by the system. In roll guilds the most active players often lose the roll time and time again on an item they really want (and probably need more than a new/casual raider). It will go to some new guild member who got lucky. After this happens like 30 times, they are going to leave the guild lol. There is just no benefit to playing more, because RNG can literally prevent you from ever getting the item. When you lose your best/most active raiders, the guild is dead or heavily gimped.

With DKP there is typically an upper price ceiling on items, and you can figure out who is probably gunning for the same item with a similar DKP level as yourself. Unless you are trying to get the absolute best loot in the game like a Vulak Robe (in which case people do dump insane amounts of DKP), you can get the item you are looking for once you hit the DKP ceiling for that item, or bid a little higher than the ceiling to guarantee you win the bid.

I haven't seen a roll guild compete for any good raid content. They really only get a nibble when there are open server events or maybe quakes. They usually stick to low end raiding like PoSky, clearing Hate/Fear Trash, Fear Golems, HoT, Kael Arena, etc.

Most people prefer DKP because they get rewarded for their participation, where roll guilds do not reward participation. It's pretty simple. A lot of people see no point in showing up to a raid where they get nothing for the time spent. You always at least get DKP with a DKP guild, which can be spent later for an item you want. There are even methods outside of raiding that can net you DKP if you can't show up to raids as often, such as leveling alts, camping consumable items, etc.

Honestly I am not sure why people complain about the DKP system. Most items casual players would want do not go for an unobtainable amount of DKP. Just save up and buy. If you are super casual and want a Vulak Robe, you are just being greedy. It's no joke when I say there are maybe 5 Vulak Robes that drop per real life year. It's not fair for the players who dump a ton of time into this game to get shafted on an item like that simply due to RNG.

[Toxigen]

even if you think you want to be in a roll-for-loot guild, you dont