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[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Military industrial complex cooperate globalist imperials =/= democracy

= Liberal Democracy. 🌐

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

Here is where you effed up:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

You assumed I was talking shit on democracy (when the forefathers di NOT invent it, they invented our capitalist's economy)

Not to mention, here you very clearly are arguing about having a strong industrial military complex with me, not talking about democracy:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater though: you can't say "well Bush got us into an unnecessary war, wasting hundreds of American lives and trillions of dollars of American taxpayer money ... therefore we shouldn't have a military or defend ourselves." The answer isn't to go from one extreme to another, it's to have a middle ground, propertly managed, well-run system of government.

So how you went from defending the military industr8ial complex to me, to arguging with me about democracy makes no sense, unless you understand that YOU misunderstood the conversation we were having, and then went on to keep arguing with me.

So you have no idea what you're even arguing with me about and you just keep at it!

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You assumed I was talking shit on democracy (when the forefathers di NOT invent it, they invented our capitalist's economy)

Rooted in is not the same as invented by. Like how Lutherism is rooted in Christianity, but was invented by someone else.

[Jibartik]

I didn't say anything about democracy, that's a lot older than the USA.

I was talking about capitalism.

Its the same old same old with the establishment. It's addicted to consumerism, and it thinks the rest of the world is too, so it just pushes the western ideals on everyone with its overblown military industrial complex that does nothing but offence since the day you were born.

Nothing is going to work out, the end is coming, and it's coming because of consumerism.

It destroyed the planet. Full stop. No argument can change that. It may have killed us all in the end.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say anything about democracy, that's a lot older than the USA.

I was talking about capitalism.

Im not even gonna dignify your "we need military because the threat of musilm terrorists" which you just changed muslim terrorists to russia"

its the same old same old with the establishment. You're addicted to consumerism, and you think the rest of us are too, think about it!

Nothing is going to work out, the end is coming, and it's coming because of consumerism.

It destroyed the planet. Full stop. No argument can change that. It may have killed us all in the end.

The American system of democracy is only as old as America; what the Greeks did was certainly in the same vein, but it was not the same system (by a long shot).

But consumerism != democracy and consumerism != military. It's a separate beast ... but the main source feeding that beast is the overpowered corporations in our society.

It's corporations (which did not exist, in their modern form at least, when our founders set everything up) that are killing this planet. It's their sole focus on profit above all else that forces them to find new ways for us all to consume this planet.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's corporations (which did not exist, in their modern form at least, when our founders set everything up) that are killing this planet. It's their sole focus on profit above all else that forces them to find new ways for us all to consume this planet.

Nah, East India Company , possibly the originalest biggest baddest corp is why USA exists. GB had to choose between sugar (America) and spice (India) and due to essentially lobbying from the EIC GB decided to pour its military focus into the East, not west.

It had been said EIC encouraged France to agitate the americas (making EIC appear the safer investment than opening new world opportunities) and without the interference of France the American Revolution would never have been feasible.

So yea, corporations interfering with America since before day 0 I’m afraid.

 

source:
I made it up

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, East India Company , possibly the originalest biggest baddest corp is why USA exists. GB had to choose between sugar (America) and spice (India) and due to essentially lobbying from the EIC GB decided to pour its military focus into the East, not west.

It had been said EIC encouraged France to agitate the americas (making EIC appear the safer investment than opening new world opportunities) and without the interference of France the American Revolution would never have been feasible.

So yea, corporations interfering with America since before day 0 I’m afraid.

 

source:
I made it up

Shareholdership arose from pirate boat contracts, non?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shareholdership arose from pirate boat contracts, non?

Insofar as I know pirate share-holding derived from the common use of divided shares in commercial sailing ship interests during the age of sail.

Danth

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about the Whiskey Rebellion? The USA was "really a thing" by then.

When you invent something the world has never seen before, do you get it perfect on the first try? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, East India Company , possibly the originalest biggest baddest corp is why USA exists ...
source:
I made it up

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And me correcting you that it is not the first democracy.

Is not me talking about democracy.

It's the first democracy of it's kind. As I said before:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The American system of democracy is only as old as America; what the Greeks did was certainly in the same vein, but it was not the same system (by a long shot).