Highspeed rail is B$it

[Jibartik]

lol democrats defending military we are full circle boyos!

Loramin, only thing I have to say is our geography is what kept us safe, not our military.

our military kept us fat.

live by the sword, and we will die by the sword.

Im ok with that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol democrats defending military we are full circle boyos!

Loramin, only thing I have to say is our geography is what kept us safe, not our military.

our military kept us fat.

Without our military Russia would just nuke us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The geography of some water in-between us won't change that.

Look, I don't like militaries in general, and I really don't like all the crap that comes with them here in America (eg. the military-industrial complex).

But again, going to extremes on either side (ie. throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater) is not the answer: it's not "let's have a military dictatorship" or "let's just hold hands and send the Russians good thoughts so they don't nuke us".

It should be (IMHO) "let's have a strong, well run and well-regulated military, with a strong system of civilian governance overseeing it".

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without our military Russia would just nuke us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The geography of some water in-between us won't change that.

Look, I don't like militaries in general, and I really don't like all the crap that comes with them here in America (eg. the military-industrial complex).

But again, going to extremes on either side (ie. throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater) is not the answer: it's not "let's have a military dictatorship" or "let's just hold hands and send the Russians good thoughts so they don't nuke us".

It should be (IMHO) "let's have a strong, well run and well-regulated military, with a strong system of civilian governance overseeing it".

What happens if the civilian oversight has been contravening to the military mission(s)?

[Jibartik]

Our whole system was designed to have bloodless revolutions every few years: that's the beauty of it. Our founding fathers knew we couldn't all just get along, and knew we would have revolutions: they counted on it.

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

[Jibartik]

This was your first post:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says Jib as he sits with his security ensured by his government's military, his bathing/drinking water government-ensured to be safe, his roads that he uses to get everywhere maintained by his government, the money he uses to buy everything secured by his government, his ... you get the idea.

But yeah, everything the government does sucks :rolleyes

I reply that all that has done is craeted a consumer driven society full of people depressed that their consumerism has either already destroyed the planet, or is in the process of it:

All of that provides is consumerism that makes everyone nilhistic and depressed and angry and eventually it'll invent the AI that kills us all if the machines we built 200 years ago dont already.

Then you reply that all the raods and drinking water and not getting invaded doesn't do that.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Roads, drinking water, and not getting invaded = "providing consumerism" and "making everyone nihilistic"?

I said well it did didnt it? That's the earth we live on now.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well it did didn't it?

Then you said that you you can have good military, not just the one we have.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in favor of a strong American military, but not the military-industrial complex. They're separate things.

And I said, can you, because there is no such thing so far??

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can they? Because they aren't in practice.

Again: all of what you spoke of has resulted in misery death and destruction.

Sorry to say this is true!

Then you just take this WILD PIVOT to pretend like you were defending democracy, and not a massive military industrial complex that has committed an act of imperialst colonialism and attacked almost every country on the planet:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

I dont know how many times I have to tell you

Military industrial complex cooperate globalist imperials =/= democracy

And this western system is literally killing people and destroying the planet and paying for the threats to our security.

All any of you war criminals say is, "the other guy has big weapons so we need to spend all our money on big weapons"

well if we spent it on making chips in America, we wouldn't be so afraid of Chinas chips would we? NO!

They wouldn't have stolen all our IP and we wouldn't have spent billions to help them build factories and increase their milltiary power. NOPE!

but we need CHEEP dispsobile chips WE NEED THEM we gotta have them mangia mangia mangia, buy buy buy!!!! NEED MORE MORE MORE!!!!!

Every time, its some warhawk that STARTS the threats that we're afraid of.

Happened with 9/11 we made osama and then they used osama to start 20 years of genocide in the desert.

We flood the streets with crack, so WE have incarcerate and murder everyone who is poor.

It's all caused by the "security" you think keeps us safe.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you just take this WILD PIVOT to pretend like you were defending democracy, and not a massive military industrial complex that has committed an act of imperialst colonialism and attacked almost every country on the planet:

You seem to have left out just a few posts there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, maybe this whole forum concept is confusing you, but there can be multiple people talking at once, and some of us were definitely talking about democracy.

But if you don't want to talk about democracy, and I'm talking about democracy, there's a simple fix: don't respond to my posts. Problem solved.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to have left out just a few posts there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, maybe this whole forum concept is confusing you, but there can be multiple people talking at once, and some of us were definitely talking about democracy.

But if you don't want to talk about democracy, and I'm talking about democracy, there's a simple fix: don't respond to my posts. Problem solved.

What if business owners don't surrender their property when you successfully vote for it to be yours now?

(Going back to the democratic socialism thing.)

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to have left out just a few posts there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, maybe this whole forum concept is confusing you, but there can be multiple people talking at once, and some of us were definitely talking about democracy.

You asked me what my solution was to global consumerism killing the planet and I said national socialsm. Which does not mean no democracy at all.

Now you're trying to convince me that democracy was invented by the USA and that you changed the subject of the conversation.

I have 1 opinion: Consumerism/westernism/globalism/military industrial complex of the west: Is the most evil and vile thing on earth.

And you're trying to talk to me about how you think that stuff is great, and without it there would be no such thing as democracy.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you don't want to talk about democracy, and I'm talking about democracy, there's a simple fix: don't respond to my posts. Problem solved.

you cock munching liar:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says Jib as he sits with his security ensured by his government's military, his bathing/drinking water government-ensured to be safe, his roads that he uses to get everywhere maintained by his government, the money he uses to buy everything secured by his government, his ... you get the idea.

But yeah, everything the government does sucks :rolleyes