Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/barf

Loramin …. Dude …

whenever lora and DSM start battling its time to walk away

they're both good dudes but man...talk about beating a dead horse / arguing til the cows come home

its 2022 and they're debating shit that literally does not matter at all, ever, not in 1 million cliff golems worth of fighting

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whenever lora and DSM start battling its time to walk away

they're both good dudes but man...talk about beating a dead horse / arguing til the cows come home

its 2022 and they're debating shit that literally does not matter at all, ever, not in 1 million cliff golems worth of fighting

+25 charisma to recruit warrior assistant and make things 10 times faster.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whenever lora and DSM start battling its time to walk away

they're both good dudes but man...talk about beating a dead horse / arguing til the cows come home

its 2022 and they're debating shit that literally does not matter at all, ever, not in 1 million cliff golems worth of fighting

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Winning's winning man. It does matter, no matter how big or small.

We all know how this game works, so all we have left is to debate the finer points.

[Jimjam]

This thread is like watching shamans attrition soloing. Slow, steady, consistent but mainly slow.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You provide no evidence for your claims, but me providing actual evidence is a straw man?

As it stands, you have no evidence, and you have been proven wrong via evidence. Please stop.

All you are doing is hurting the community and people reading this thread because you can't admit you are wrong.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You keep moving the goal posts with your "normal non-raid Shaman" idea. Please provide a Magelo showing us EXACTLY what that is. I tried to make a Magelo of a Shaman who has very little money to spend on things like Fungi, JBB, etc. But you are now saying a "normal, non-raid shaman" is going to have Fungi, JBB, etc?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You provide no evidence for your claims, but me providing actual evidence is a straw man?

As it stands, you have no evidence, and you have been proven wrong via evidence. Please stop.

All you are doing is hurting the community and people reading this thread because you can't admit you are wrong.

Best way to win an argument: ignore everything your opponent says, and when you feel like you're losing don't respond to their points, just insult them and claim they have none [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep moving the goal posts with your "normal non-raid Shaman" idea. Please provide a Magelo showing us EXACTLY what that is. I tried to make a Magelo of a Shaman who has very little money to spend on things like Fungi, JBB, etc. But you are now saying a "normal, non-raid shaman" is going to have Fungi, JBB, etc?

I never "moved a goal post". Much earlier I said something like "show me a Magelo" .. to get someone to provide the rope to hang themselves with. That's not "moving a goal post" that's "spell out your argument so we can all see the flaw in it".

And the flaw of showing an unrealistic Stamina-only-focused Magelo is that it doesn't represent how real Shaman gear themselves, so it doesn't provide any "evidence" that real Shaman will hit the stat cap anytime except near the end of their career.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best way to win an argument: ignore everything your opponent says, and just insult them and claim they have no evidence (after they've spent pages making a strong logical argument) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is precisely what you are doing[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never "moved a goal post". Much earlier I said something like "show me a Magelo" .. to get someone to provide the rope to hang themselves with. That's not "moving a goal post" that's "spell out your argument so we can all see the flaw in it".

And the flaw of showing an unrealistic Stamina-only-focused Magelo is that it doesn't represent how real Shaman gear themselves, so it doesn't provide any "evidence" that real Shaman will hit the stat cap anytime except near the end of their career.

Yes, you are moving goalposts because you have not provided a Magelo in kind[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You are using the tactic of saying "a normal shaman would do X", but whenever someone tries to define what a "normal shaman" is, you change what that definition is to match the current discussion.

So you need to provide us with your definition of a "normal, non raid shaman" so we can see what they would have, and what they could achieve. Otherwise you are just being disingenuous.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is precisely what you are doing[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



Yes, you are moving goalposts because you have not provided a Magelo in kind[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You are using the tactic of saying "a normal shaman would do X", but whenever someone tries to define what a "normal shaman" is, you change what that definition is to match the current discussion.

So you need to provide us with your definition of a "normal, non raid shaman" so we can see what they would have, and what they could achieve. Otherwise you are just being disingenuous.

No, I didn't provide exactly that on page 1 of this thread ...

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played Loramin on Blue for at least half a decade, yet I never got him true "high-end gear". He just has "best in slot" gear for a non-raider or casual guild raider ... which doesn't suck either: a full suit of TOV armor (except for a Vindi BP upgrade), Lodi Shield, +6 neck, Shawl, the Chardok ring, etc. I still have a few more things to acquire (eg. Spirit Wracked Cord) ...

... and yet, Loramin only has 175 stamina. That's 225 self-buffed, which is still more than 25 away from the cap. Also, I think I put most/all of my starting points into Stamina.

What was that about how you were so good at reading threads, and I was so bad at it?

[battins]

Smaller the mana pool means the shorter your smoke break. Get the larger mana pool and go afk longer. Live the high-life.