14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is so infuriating

this friggen war was BECAUSE THEY WANTED WESTERN support

it couldnt be more wrong and you are so confident about how disrespectful you are to the real heros that get out there and saved ukraine and died doing it and you want to take credit for it.

The Ukrainian military and civilian militia stepped up and saved their country, no question: I'm not trying to argue otherwise.

What I'm saying is without Western military support it wouldn't have mattered how hard they fought, Russia would have ultimately dominated.

[Botten]

Lets hear from a republican when asked how'd they would fix school shootings.

This was from Herschel Walker on FoxNews.

"People see that it's a person wielding that
weapon, you know, Cain killed Abel. And
that's the problem that we have. And I said,
what we need to do is look into how we can
stop those things

You talk about doing disinformation.
What about getting a department that can
look at young men that's looking at women,
that's looking at their social media? What
about doing that, looking into things like
that, and we can stop that way?"


...
Jib tends to respond better.
Hell, Trump barely replies better.

This crap reads like Ooloo's white supremacist statistics. Complete nonsense.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Ukrainian military and civilian militia stepped up and saved their country, no question: I'm not trying to argue otherwise.

There, see. Keep in mind without this phase, there would be ZERO support, because they'd be russian now.

What I'm saying is without Western military support it wouldn't have mattered how hard they fought, Russia would have ultimately dominated.

No you are wrong about that. It's not "western support" we've been sending them OLD conventional firearms.

you simply do not understand how the military works we have supplied conventional firepower, that is it.

We have propaganda to make YOU think that we are supporting them but every day zelenski has been BEGGING and BEGGING for equipment.

They do not have tanks. They do not have airplanes. They do not have any of the tech you think they have.

It is the tenacity of the ukrainians who hide underground and pop up and shoot russians that is winning this war.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Ukrainian military and civilian militia stepped up and saved their country, no question: I'm not trying to argue otherwise.

What I'm saying is without Western military support it wouldn't have mattered how hard they fought, Russia would have ultimately dominated.

Ukraine is losing, badly

Stop watching CNN

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day what you're ultimately saying is "kids (and other innocent people) should die so that I can have my fantasy (and again, it is a fantasy) of some day using guns to stand up to a corrupt US government." Because again, unlike cars and hammers, we don't need guns.

At the end of the day what you're ultimately saying is "based on no evidence whatsoever, I want to give up the 2nd most important right in our "bill of rights" to an increasingly totalitarian government on the hopes that the possibility that losing this right MIGHT make us more safe, and that I am unready to admit that guns are the least significant contributor to the dangers of the decayed society I live in"

Regarding "we don't need guns" tell that to a 110lb woman who makes the mistake of existing while simultaneously needing to occasionally (god forbid, REGULARLY) walk home in the dark.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day what you're ultimately saying is "based on no evidence whatsoever, I want to give up the 2nd most important right in our "bill of rights" to an increasingly totalitarian government on the hopes that the possibility that losing this right MIGHT make us more safe, and that I am unready to admit that guns are the least significant contributor to the dangers of the decayed society I live in"

Regarding "we don't need guns" tell that to a 110lb woman who makes the mistake of existing while simultaneously needing to occasionally (god forbid, REGULARLY) walk home in the dark.

I never said "remove every gun from America"! On the contrary, what I keep repeating is that we need sensible gun laws, and this slavish fantasization of the 2nd amendment (we need automatic weapons in case the army comes for us!) is stopping that.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to ask, are you being intentionally dense or are you still honestly thinking that this point needs to be made?

If there was a reduction in bodies of water, there would be a reduction in drowning deaths.

If there was a reduction in guns, there would be a reduction in gun deaths.

This is a logical certainty, it requires no study, and is the exact same thing as 1 + 1 equals 2.

So if the logic is so simple, let's use it to save childrens lives.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said "remove every gun from America"! On the contrary, what I keep repeating is that we need sensible gun laws, and this slavish fantasization of the 2nd amendment (we need automatic weapons in case the army comes for us!) is stopping that.



So if the logic is so simple, let's use it to save childrens lives.

I’m far from a gun nut, so I’m sure one of them could clarify, but I believe very very few people in the USA have a license that allows them to posses a fully automatic weapon. It’s either current high ranking military or police that can get this I believe

So you must mean semi-automatic. So if we take that technology away, we go back to single action revolvers like in the Wild West days? Or go further back to powder loading muskets?

It helps to know about guns in and out before deciding which are the most dangerous and why. I certainly don’t so I won’t try

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if the logic is so simple, let's use it to save childrens lives.

Lets start with defunding planned parenthood. That will save way more children lives than more gun control.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if the logic is so simple, let's use it to save childrens lives.

Saving lives from bullets does not save overall lives. There are other methods of killing. How many times do we need to circle around the fact that you won’t acknowledge there is no data anywhere that indicates an actual increase in safety by removing guns to any plausible degree whether a full ban or “common sense” restrictions.

The only data is useless stuff like you’ve cited. If there were no guns then bullets couldn’t fly out of them. Everyone already knows that.

[Jibartik]

we, a nuclear world power just lost a war in afghanastan against guys with guns

russia, a nuclear world power is losing a war against ukraine against guys with guns

Vietnam guys with guns beats a country with nukes

NK guys with guns beats a country with nukes

List goes on and on.

the totalitarian dystopian us democrat or trump run mililtary that tries to take over usa < guys with guns.