14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it doesn't matter how restrictive your gun laws are (how much of your own rights you give away to the government) you won't make yourself more safe from teenagers on killing spreeds (freedom for security trade off). Hoping that allowing the government to have MORE power will fix this problem is fruitless. The government is not interested in saving lives. They will jump at the opportunity to take away your rights, but truly are not concerned with your well being. If you want to talk about evidence, show me one instance where increasing the governments power has been of benefit to "the governed" aka to you an I. This is not a problem that we can solve by simply voting away our rights. Blaming our freedom for these deaths.

It is a problem of our diseased society. It is something we can solve, but not by spending time on divisive political strategies rather than effective community strategies. And to those who say that communities are not able or willing to solve these problems, I will say that you might be right. But it is the only way to be successful so it is worth your efforts and the efforts of everyone you know to try to create a culture where the health of all living things including humans and their mental health are a priority rather than corporate profits. What we are talking about is not some nebulous non human "corporate" greed. We are talking about actual human greed, the greed that is currently instrumentalized to drive people to work long hours for poorer and poorer pay for the hope that one day that can achieve a status of no longer having to work and sitting finally on their high horse or in their high castle where they too can be an exploiter of some kind. What a dream we have.

Right now $$ profits are the absolute reining monarchy in our government and in the hearts of most of out citizens. It is this erroneous priority that will certainly be our demise. It is the correction of this error by smallest incremental changes (by individuals like the EQ addicts on this forum) that is the only hope for actually making things better. Passing new laws whether it be in favor of guns or against guns or in favor of abortion of against abortion or in favor of immigration or against immigration or in favor of giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons or against giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the demise of our country and our world and the degradation of the lives of our children and their posterity. "The powers that be" may or may not be pure evil, but they cannot commit evil acts without first convincing you and I to let them do so.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

I was with you right up to the part where you dont admit dog cat on computer causes illness.

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[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

Kids are being raised on pills and an absence of morality but it's "the guns' or something

[unsunghero]

I’ve noticed a cultural shift with police in my job in regards to firearm suicide threats. I mentioned it to the Department of Justice lawyers that interviewed me a few weeks ago. I described it in a neutral, non-accusatory way

Years ago, if someone was barricaded in their home with a gun making suicidal statements, police might not always force entry but they would have a negotiator and their mental health officers remain on that scene until it was resolved as safely as they could

Nowadays, I have been in multiple similar situations with cops around where they will devote a few hours to trying to talk the person down, and then they bail. I’ve had multiple cops now say to us mental health workers still on scene “whatever happens, happens”, as they were leaving

I don’t completely fault the officers for not wanting to risk their life to stop a suicidal person. I only mentioned that years ago they would, or at least wouldn’t just leave them, pack their shit up and go. Maybe it’s a resource issue or a protocol change

But I bet there are much fewer cops who want to be a hero nowadays in regards to saving non-suicidal people, and I think our media’s demonization of them played a role in that. You can tell when you see cops retiring earlier or just quitting

[Gustoo]

Reiwa - to bolster your argument it is possible that if the cops were as cowardly as they seem to have behaved, its possible they would have been less afraid of the shooter if they somehow knew for a fact that the shooter had less effective weapons than they did so the shooter would have had less than a full hour to take 15 lives.

Unsunghero - I agree. The liability on a cop running into a school guns blazing potentially accidentally shooting a kid or something makes them much more risk averse in these situations. When they can cede their responsibility to the "proper authority" in this case a SWAT officer, they seem more likely to do so.

[Reiwa]

I'm out for now before I start saying swears. 😇

[Elizondo]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not guns

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not guns

We're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

You should just put me on ignore instead of whining all the time

[Jibartik]

if the best thing getting rid of guns does is fixes accidental deaths and lowers suicide yea that's a good thing but there are other ways to do that that dont infringe on anyone's constitutional rights.

Im sure it'd cost more trying to keep guns out of peoples hands than to help people who need it too.

[Gustoo]

Jib - as much as I think the internet should be closed down immediately and its history erased from the history of humanity, if we didn't act like scum to eachother, the internet would be the equivalent of the technology that allows starfleet to travel the universe.

Instead it is seen as just another tool by psychopaths to extract money and value and life from other humans.