when will staff unroot the dragons?

[Scalem]

Another tunaloser alt forum account, newsflash dragons never getting unrooted hope this helps

[Naethyn]

read: I have to give up the next vulak because of bag limits and instead of seeing that this actually fosters competition during quakes, I blame rooted dragons instead of realizing that a coinflip coth race where people get best in slot gear without ever leaving the entrance leads to the worst type of toxicity this server has ever seen, because in that meta only the pullers matter, and they shit on everyone else. The game is harder and better actually going *into* the dungeon.

[unroot]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

read: I have to give up the next vulak because of bag limits and instead of seeing that this actually fosters competition during quakes, I blame rooted dragons instead of realizing that a coinflip coth race where people get best in slot gear without ever leaving the entrance leads to the worst type of toxicity this server has ever seen, because in that meta only the pullers matter, and they shit on everyone else. The game is harder and better actually going *into* the dungeon.

what you fail to comprehend is that unrooted dragons leads to the #1 guild i.e. vanquish, getting less vulaks

you won't even engage with that because you know it's true

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by unroot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what you fail to comprehend is that unrooted dragons leads to the #1 guild i.e. vanquish, getting less vulaks

you won't even engage with that because you know it's true

It's easy to write off vulak as not competitive, but the fact is every quake has been competitive, because it's not just about vulak. The 2nd tier entity goes for Takish, because plane of growth is one of the top tier competitive mobs on the server today.

Let me make it more clear. The four most important mobs on the server:

KT, Vulak, Doze, and Takish (tunare):

1. KT is first and it can go either way.
2. Next is Doze, because Vulak has blocking mobs that must be killed first.
3. The raid entity going for Vulak essentially gets a bonus Doze, because of the blocking mbos for vulak.
4. The competition on the server is going for the next most competitive raid target - Takish so they can kill Tunare.
5. Because of the NToV mobs that must be killed and the amount of time it takes to kill these and do Vulak, the next competitive guild is going to go for every other target outside of the mobs involved with shortening the time it takes the top tier entity to kill Vulak.
6. Competition thrives.

All while the top guild proclaims themselves without competition, because they realize they are getting a fraction of the total "game wide" pixels available, when competition actually exists. News flash, every meta ends without competition, and this is the only meta that has gotten this far with the above still occuring, and its 100% because of the bagged mobs that make the above 6 steps not have to happen every single week by changing up the competitive approach outlined above. If KT was added to a bagged list you'd see even more variance. (fun)

[unroot]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's easy to write off vulak as not competitive, but the fact is every quake has been competitive, because it's not just about vulak. The 2nd tier entity goes for Takish, because plane of growth is one of the top tier competitive mobs on the server today.

Let me make it more clear. The four most important mobs on the server:

KT, Vulak, Doze, and Takish (tunare):

1. KT is first and it can go either way.
2. Next is Doze, because Vulak has blocking mobs that must be killed first.
3. The raid entity going for Vulak essentially gets a bonus Doze, because of the blocking mbos for vulak.
4. The competition on the server is going for the next most competitive raid target - Takish so they can kill Tunare.
5. Because of the NToV mobs that must be killed and the amount of time it takes to kill these and do Vulak, the next competitive guild is going to go for every other target outside of the mobs involved with shortening the time it takes the top tier entity to kill Vulak.
6. Competition thrives.

All while the top guild proclaims themselves without competition, because they realize they are getting a fraction of the total "game wide" pixels available, when competition actually exists. News flash, every meta ends without competition, and this is the only meta that has gotten this far with the above still occuring, and its 100% because of the bagged mobs that make the above 6 steps not have to happen every single week by changing up the competitive approach outlined above. If KT was added to a bagged list you'd see even more variance. (fun)

saying Velious is not about vulak is like saying pof is not about CT or VP is not about PD/hosh (from a high end raiding pov)

everyone who has raided on this server post warders understands that vulak is by far and away the most coveted mob

most coveted mob = mob that matters the most

you can do all the circular logic you want to try to refute that but his loot table is what it is

keep dodging the fact that in an unrooted era of tov vulak would be more evenly split than it has ever been in rooted era

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by unroot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

saying Velious is not about vulak is like saying pof is not about CT or VP is not about PD/hosh (from a high end raiding pov)

everyone who has raided on this server post warders understands that vulak is by far and away the most coveted mob

most coveted mob = mob that matters the most

you can do all the circular logic you want to try to refute that but his loot table is what it is

keep dodging the fact that in an unrooted era of tov vulak would be more evenly split than it has ever been in rooted era

I can't figure out which guild you are in on Blue, but I agree that Vulak is the most coveted mob. But your logic is flawed, the amount of Vulak kills between two guilds doesn't equate to some ethereal balance in the raid force that only you can see. Even if this was true, I'd like to see some evidence. Post some numbers, with timelines, let's see graphs and data.

All I see is an angry nerd who either doesn't get enough Vulak or feels entitled to more Vulaks. What item are you chasing? C'mon man Naethyn has very succinctly spelled out how rooted dragons lead to more competition by tying up whoever is going for Vulak in NToV killing the blockers.

TLDR: Absolutely no evidence of a more balenced era, Vulak kills do not somehow determine equality in the raid scene.

[Lammy]

Keep em rooted if you want. A little dungeon crawl never hurt anyone. But maybe they could give us lockouts back? There are normal people that would appreciate an opportunity to enjoy this content in lower (as intended) raid force numbers. Warm body zerging has gone on long enough.

[Rang]

I think one improvement would be to lengthen the respawn time of trash mobs in ntov to 8 hours like planes so it would actually make more sense to clear than just train stuff around

[Naethyn]

Vulak is the most important mob on the server. Vulak is the mob that crowns the top raid entity as supreme. The difference is Vulak requires the killing of half a dozen other dragons, trash, flurries, and then vulak himself. Because of this, KT is the first mob killed on the server, and the above steps I described are accurate.

Anyways, since when is competition about two raid entities sitting on top of each other trying to blame each other for trains and misplays. Its in everyone's best interest that the two stay as far away from each other as possible. All while being extremely competitive for the quake as a whole.

I find it dishonest to proclaim the server "without competition" based purely on who kills the most important mob on the server (vulak), all while ignoring the actual competitive meta that takes place on a quake. Not to mention blaming bags for anything, when it is the only mechanic we have to change the priority list that keeps this competition alive.

[unroot]

I'm tofat ... I forgot my other forum account info so here we are. Anyway...

Vanquish vulak logs from this year

4/18 vulak kill
4/17 vulak kill
4/14 vulak kill
4/10 vulak kill
4/8 vulak kill
3/26 vulak kill
3/19 vulak kill
3/13 vulak kill
3/5 vulak kill
2/27 vulak kill
2/19 vulak kill
2/16 vulak kill
2/13 vulak kill
2/6 vulak kill
2/3 vulak kill
1/27 vulak kill
1/2 vulak kill

There isn't a single attempt or responder vulak log because we have killed every natural or quake spawning vulak that we weren't bagged on our had to concede b/c of prior petitions

The "quake is competitive" mantra is also a farce but we can look at that data as well... first tho lets state the obvious yes Riot kills mobs on quake but it's a quake so you are literally obligated to kill targets. Let's take a look at what happened on the start of the last four quakes that happened this April:

4/17 Quake (bagged on Doze)

- KT
- Dain
- Yeli
- Statue
- AoW

4/16 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Statue
- AoW
- PD

4/13 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Gore
- Hosh
- PD (attempt)

4/8 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Statue
- AoW
- Hosh

Yes, there is obviously *more* competition on quakes but just take a look at that list and our vulak kills and tell me that competition is at a good place on this server.

Stigion -- a gm on this server -- made a post in blue general that I can't find because I'm banned in there and I can't be fucked to look for the screenshot of it posted in our discord that literally stated Riot barely competes with Vanquish anymore.

If you don't think vulak is a good arbiter of how competitive a server is than answer me this, how come no one tries to even compete on vulak anymore?